Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Demon6324236]

Well the question with the nerfing is, how will they nerf it & how far? Half the potency? Remove some of the effects? We don't know much about it which does make it hard to know what to expect as well.

[Sarick]

Well the question with the nerfing is, how will they nerf it & how far? Half the potency? Remove some of the effects? We don't know much about it which does make it hard to know what to expect as well.

Perfect Defense and Embrava made incompatible like Refresh isn't compatible with sublimation.

[Monchat]

my guess is duration. 3mins non extendable and tabula rasa wears off after use. They wont nerf the potency (might actually increase it) otherwise it will be useless. Increase potency (capped magic haste + 10/tic regain +100/tic regen, say) for a duration of 3 min sounds acceptable to me.

[Zagen]

What I haven't been able to figure out is how the hell any of this stuff got tested as playable before going live without using these strategies. Maybe the real secret there is they didn't actually have testers run through different group setups to see the ratios of wins to losses.

[Caketime]

What I haven't been able to figure out is how the hell any of this stuff got tested as playable before going live without using these strategies. Maybe the real secret there is they didn't actually have testers run through different group setups to see the ratios of wins to losses.

Why test content at all when they can just patch away all of their problems after release? Sure it takes them a painful amount of time to notice when things go awry, and longer to fix anything that might be broken, but at least they do something. Sometmes. But not what anyone wants, or is mutually beneficial.

[Demon6324236]

That wouldn't do all to much imo... Just lower kill speed but keep you invincible, so you just have to kill faster.

[Arcon]

That wouldn't do all to much imo... Just lower kill speed but keep you invincible, so you just have to kill faster.

That isn't quite as easy as it sounds, though, because Embrava was a huge boost in that respect, and PD doesn't last very long. You'd have to compensate with at least a(nother) Bard for that, and it still wouldn't have the same effect, especially if you're tight on people. Also it doesn't provide the convenience for other jobs, that Embrava does, for example mages not needing to be healed after getting hit with AoE, because Embrava can Regen it. You won't have that luxury without it.

[Monchat]

That wouldn't do all to much imo... Just lower kill speed but keep you invincible, so you just have to kill faster.

that wouldn't change much as you do no need to use both currently. For ADL only PD for nyzul only Embrava. People use both for convenience. The regen/regainn is quite useless on short fights/mobs that one shot you, while extremely usefull on long events like nyzul.

[Demon6324236]

that wouldn't change much as you do no need to use both currently. For ADL only PD for nyzul only Embrava. People use both for convenience. The regen/regainn is quite useless on short fights/mobs that one shot you, while extremely usefull on long events like nyzul.

That was kinda my point. In events you only need one of them it wouldn't really hurt you, then again so far as I understand, Legion isn't so friendly so it may be a bit different in that case, it depends on the event, but if it is really a nerf then just making them not stack wouldn't be enough, it would effect like 1~2 events, the rest would just keep 1 of the 2 buffs and leave the other alone in favor of something else that might give similar effect.

[Damane]

That was kinda my point. In events you only need one of them it wouldn't really hurt you, then again so far as I understand, Legion isn't so friendly so it may be a bit different in that case, it depends on the event, but if it is really a nerf then just making them not stack wouldn't be enough, it would effect like 1~2 events, the rest would just keep 1 of the 2 buffs and leave the other alone in favor of something else that might give similar effect.

pre embrava, people used brd 2 hours songs (2x march) in conjunction with PD. Your idea of not leting embrava and PD stack would actually just change nothing.