Perfect defense / embrava unbalance

[Tamoa]

I do agree that designing events/fights in such a manner that the only reliable way to successfully complete them is by using PD/Embrava, is poor design indeed.

However, as others have pointed out - the fact that this thread has been made by someone who's finished relic afterglow trial and who claims to earn millions of gil on farming ADL by using the PD strategy - well that just makes my head spin. Not sure what to make of that to be honest...

[Kriegsgott]

Strange how you got that from this:



I appreciate that English might not be your first language, but you're reading things that aren't there. Unless parts of the original JP version were left out in the translation, he's saying both, content and JAs, will be changed at the same time.

take care posts geting deleted if you make him look stupid
funny how he made a joke about my english with "translation plz" and cant take the joke back if he made some mistakes...

[Fupafighter]

Either your group has been very very lucky or you don't know what you're talking about.

Can you do NNI without Embrava? Sure. Will you have close to the same win rate? Nope.

What do they have order lamps listed as? 5%? That means on an average run, you shouldn't even see an order lamp. Therefore, you have a decent chance at winning. Seriously look at the floors. The only things that kill a run are big "kill all" floors and order lamps. The rest are very winable in a very short period of time, if you do it right. It comes down to how fast you can get to your target for the most part. I had a run where we had 14 minutes left, meaning we technically only needed 1 sch. This will still be winnable. All this talk about things becoming impossible is silly.

[Fupafighter]

either replace 2 SCH by 2 WHM or 1 brd + 1 whm or 1 bard+1 sch. Would have to resing marches every 3 minutes. instant cast every 10 min (nightingale). 2 WHM might be uneasy on MP but doable with /RDM and elixir temp/vile elixir med. In the end you lose something:casting marches every 3 minutes will waste ~2minutes. and the healer cannot heal everyone on kill all and lamps. What's more this time soulflayers will dispell every possible buff... so yeah, it sucks.

WTF are you talking about lol? The bard would be following the DD around buffing them, not sitting at the lamp buffing...Healing whms sub sch also. Soulflayers shouldn't live long enough to dispel people. Sch > whm. Sch can heal, do decent damage and embrava STILL after nerf. Corsair would also be a much more viable option. Throw up a chaos with a double up and walla that should cap your DD's attack even on toughs. Not to mention a cor/war can throw out some decent numbers with last stand. Can sleep, dispel, and even give movement speed to party everytime you go up a floor.
Seriously dude, you have afterglow and don't understand how to setup and event? lol

[Kriegsgott]

WTF are you talking about lol? The bard would be following the DD around buffing them, not sitting at the lamp buffing...Healing whms sub sch also. Soulflayers shouldn't live long enough to dispel people. Sch > whm. Sch can heal, do decent damage and embrava STILL after nerf. Corsair would also be a much more viable option. Throw up a chaos with a double up and walla that should cap your DD's attack even on toughs. Not to mention a cor/war can throw out some decent numbers with last stand. Can sleep, dispel, and even give movement speed to party everytime you go up a floor.
Seriously dude, you have afterglow and don't understand how to setup and event? lol

dont mind him/she/it its probably lolchan unless he like /autofollowing him almost all the time the play together

[MarkovChain]

What do they have order lamps listed as? 5%? That means on an average run, you shouldn't even see an order lamp.

This is why you shouldn't argue probability with me.

If your cor is good, it will be like having a heavy DD

If cor was a DD I think we'd know it by now.

[Zagen]

What do they have order lamps listed as? 5%? That means on an average run, you shouldn't even see an order lamp. Therefore, you have a decent chance at winning. Seriously look at the floors. The only things that kill a run are big "kill all" floors and order lamps. The rest are very winable in a very short period of time, if you do it right. It comes down to how fast you can get to your target for the most part. I had a run where we had 14 minutes left, meaning we technically only needed 1 sch. This will still be winnable. All this talk about things becoming impossible is silly.

How do lamps have anything to do with a SCH? They don't. Embrava is for kill floors not lamp floors.

If you can't see how having 72hp regen, 6tp regain, and 34% haste from 1 spell doesn't heavily increase your speed as a DD on kill floors I don't know what to say.

Your anecdotal run sounds like a lucky run, on top of that you admitted to having a SCH which means you were probably Embravaed. Let me know when you do runs without Embrava and have 14 minutes left.

As Monchat pointed any other combination works but costs time and increases the risk of losing.

I never said it wasn't winnable, heck at 1% chance of winning it's still winnable. That doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[Fupafighter]

So what you mean to tell me is, is that they will nerf embrava to the point where it will have no gain at all on the DD. What do you think they're going to do to embrava. Reduce how long it last, haste, regain? And yes corsair is a DD lol. Sorry it's not OMFG I can resolution for 13k with mighty strikes, but it can still dish out good damage. You probably just see shitty corsair that rock 85 arma and wildfire for 1200 in voidwatch lol. I'm saying embrava being nerfed even half would still result in wins at a decent rate. Sorry if you don't get the best armor in the game in 30 minutes guys. Post nerf, I will still take sch and cor over whm and brd because they offer alot more utility/damage. Anyone who opposes that notion better give valid reasons. Pchan, these are fodder mobs, not legion mobs. They die fast. I could shit on your mnk with cor given the fact that the level of the monster isn't effecting my damage greatly, and If it is, can fall back on wildfire.

[Demon6324236]

So wait, SE claim they will ajust the content (when they have time, after X or Y) and you automatically think they know what they will be doing. I'm just pointing out that changing perfect defense means they have to completely revamp adl and legion. It's not the same as "ajusting" the content. I think we have pretty much establish that devs don't play the game right ? It was one of the player census request by the way.

Pointing out how unless they change how certain content works, that once its nerfed it will become nearly, if not completely, impossible. As it was said, ADL with a full alliance is a pain, however with PD its doable with as little as a trio, NNI is currently doable without cheating, but requires Embrava for nearly the entire event from start to finish, once its nerfed, chances it will be won without cheats are nearly non-existent. All in all, the point is that if when they nerf these powers they don't nerf the power of mobs in certain content then said content may become impossible to win at all.

1st thing I said in this thread, I understand the idea, I was simply saying we already covered that they said they are doing both things, no point in people coming in to say they are nerfing Embrava/PD, or to say they are nerfing the content, as I assume you made this to stress the importance.

[MarkovChain]

So what you mean to tell me is, is that they will nerf embrava to the point where it will have no gain at all on the DD. What do you think they're going to do to embrava. Reduce how long it last, haste, regain? And yes corsair is a DD lol..

Obviously they will nerf haste / regen / regain because that's what it's used for ¿ But the point of the thread is to wake up the players so that that they put pressure on the devs and that they actually revamp nyzul/adl/legion because an ajustement means fail. I'm not sure if they realize how legion,adl or nyzul is done.