No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[Winrie]

Someone who can't play as much shouldn't be punished with unobtainable gear therefore alternative content with just as good rewards needs to be there, it has to be, or HNM can't happen again.

I.e. A world were I can go up to someone and tell them grata on their gear they jus obtained in casual content, an just because they got it in a different playstyle didn't make them Gimp compared to his HNM buddys HNM set, everyones happy, everyones pimp, the HNM guy jus becomes subject to moms basement trolls :3

[Demon6324236]

lmao.

"It's only acceptable if it fits MY playstyle!!!"

No, simply the only time I will accept the content as good. When you make something most of your players will never see, or play, you waste your time and effort in my opinion. You want me to shut up? Agree, you want your hard fights, I'm ok with hard fights. You want time spawns, I'm ok with them if they are reasonable. You want rare drops, I'm ok with them if they are able to be gotten by more ways than 1 when the only 1 way is via a highly restricted piece of content.

gtfo lol and lol@ur sig. Abyssea will never be endgame.

I don't want abyssea to be endgame, I want endgame to be rewarding. I'm tired of wasting days and hours on a game getting literally nothing done on the game because every event is a massive dice roll to determine if I will get anything, or if I will get nothing. This is what endgame currently seems to be in most cases. NNI is a role of a die on so many levels, pathos, floor number, floor arrangement, floor contents, floor objective, so much luck involved. VW is much the same, role a die for procs, and for drops. Abyssea had a fair drop rate system, and was rewarding for time and effort, no other endgame I have seen since has lived up to it in that respect.

[saevel]

Someone who can't play as much shouldn't be punished with unobtainable gear therefore alternative content with just as good rewards needs to be there, it has to be, or HNM can't happen again.

I.e. A world were I can go up to someone and tell them grata on their gear they jus obtained in casual content, an just because they got it in a different playstyle didn't make them Gimp compared to his HNM buddys HNM set, everyones happy, everyones pimp, the HNM guy jus becomes subject to moms basement trolls :3

This wouldn't make the hardcore crown happy at all, if anything it would piss them off even further.

Their value isn't in the gear or even the accomplishment of killing the dangerous / "challenging" *cough* NM. The value is in other people not having the gear. They want it impossible for other players to obtain the gear, thus giving meaning to their no-job / school / social non-life.

[Trisscar]

lmao.

"It's only acceptable if it fits MY playstyle!!!"

gtfo lol and lol@ur sig. Abyssea will never be endgame.

You are a moron and here's why:
In Aby there's an VNM named Brulo, an evil Ifrit mob that will kill the entire alliance if you don't give it special handling. I doubt you ever fought him because your "I'm too awesome for this shit" mentality so let me explain this to you in a way that you'll understand. This Tier III VNM spawns in Aby Altepa once an hour, provided you have the pop for it. First you must, obviously, fight the Tier I and Tier II and have the abysites change color.

Now since fighting Altepa's Tier I VNM is a hassle, the typical way this is done is by sending the shell members to other zones to solo their own Tier I (with the favorite seeming to be Tahrongi, due to its high change rate and it's squishyness). Then everyone gathers in Altepa to fight a Titan mob.

This Titan isn't exactly the most challenging of foes, it could be fought solo with most damage dealers, but this isn't the issue. The issue comes from the fact that, like Brulo, the Titan has a long respawn time. To make maters worse it's also a common target for people farming Warrior seals, who camp it at the same time rather than go after easier to camp monsters. Also the Titan doesn't help change your Abysite colors very often (it's fairly uncommon, in fact).

You put all this together and then you have a situation where a dedicated camp of a full alliance spending 8 to 10 hours a day camping Brulo but only gets to fight it maybe four times, all for just one guaranteed magian trophy drop (for a trial that requires 50 said trophies) and a rare drop in the form of a highly coveted Black Mage scythe.

Yeah, sure. This isn't endgame. Moron.

[Tamoa]

This wouldn't make the hardcore crown happy at all, if anything it would piss them off even further.

Their value isn't in the gear or even the accomplishment of killing the dangerous / "challenging" *cough* NM. The value is in other people not having the gear. They want it impossible for other players to obtain the gear, thus giving meaning to their no-job / school / social non-life.

There might be a select few who feel that way, however for the majority of the pro-hnm players what you just said there is a load of bullcrap. Not only that, it's insulting aswell, and the rl card is reeeeeeally classy.

[Winrie]

I try not to troll anyone but the person who said that crap about the Titan being a long repop(it's 15 mins dude) and brulo bein hard, is a moron I'm sorry. Brulo is a tame child with a good ninja and whitemage. Same as a good pld wearing proper gear(not perle) same as with everything in abyssea.

And wtf @ 18 ppl camp brulo lol no indeed

[cidbahamut]

and a rare drop in the form of a highly coveted Black Mage scythe.

wat
are you serious?

[Trisscar]

I try not to troll anyone but the person who said that crap about the Titan being a long repop(it's 15 mins dude) and brulo bein hard, is a moron I'm sorry. Brulo is a tame child with a good ninja and whitemage. Same as a good pld wearing proper gear(not perle) same as with everything in abyssea.

15 minutes is a long time when you're competing against two or more other groups camping the same mob (for Warrior seals), especially if they're using hacks to do it. If they get it 3 times out of 5 that wastes 45 minutes of your camp. Didn't think of that, did you?

You also failed to address the uncommon chance of Titan's death changing your Abysite colors. I have personally spawned him around 30 times and got 2 changes from his death. If you have those same seal campers out camping you with their hacks that means I have spawned Brulo himself only once every three months. How is this that much different is this from HNM with overly long respawn rates?

As for Brulo I already said that it requires special handling (like you said, one Ninja or Paladin tank and a healer), rather just dog pilling on the damned thing otherwise it will turn nasty on you.

[Trisscar]

wat
are you serious?

It is coveted, amongst Black Mages that don't have it. Similar to that Great Axe that falls from that Hydra is for part time Warriors that don't aim for Empy. And since blue procs aren't usually exploited on Brulo the Scythe has a low drop rate (I think I've seen drop maybe 5 times). What part of this is hard for you to fathom?

[Habu]

I'm glad I stepped back from this argument so you guys could keep saying the same things over and over.