No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

[Rosina]

Hi
i'm a non casual and i do hate botting.... but i enjoy the concept of fighting hnm

just not have the spawn be once a rl day.

I love fighting huge bosses field and dungeon alike.

Oh and fighting kings was highly popular when ffxi was first starting. Just once ppl started getting black belt and drops, no one started to kill them.

i'm not after rewards, not asking for dumbed down content... just the ability to do the content. once a real life day even under a 20 hr playtime make it iffy to actually do the content. I perfer something that requires more machincs to it like in sky with kirin, or with hati in kon. Highlands. It makes it rare but doable by anyone. Cuz u still have to do the work of either getting the pop items, or understanding the spawn time. (not waiting around for a slight chance at it)

[Winrie]

Well as I'm seeing, no matter what's said no one can leave another to their own play style. A video game like this should fit both audiences or neither imho. There's nothing wrong with the casual style and there's nothing wrong with people desiring more than that, why do you farm gear? For the same reason that other guy camps fafnir, only difference is how you chose to do it and what you prefer to do. Casuals screaming at hardcores for their preference in content is like yelling at someone for their choice in a burger at your local joint that differs from yours, get over yourself people have their own wants and likes, is that burger going in your mouth? Is someone forcing you to eat it? No. Same to the hardcores, who are you to tell people they aren't entitled to get their crap cause they have less time to play? I've asked for diversity in playerbase but the end results should be equal honestly if you wish to appease both crowds.

That being said, for the people in support of HNM, you guys push the elite button too hard IMO and make us all look like f'n jackasses. Most of us, like me enjoyed fighting exotic rare mobs that could floor us, not so much the prestige if there was any Norte gear so much. It always felt nice to claim, I've felt the bite of botters as anyone else but I've never taken the mentality of "I have to bot to win QQ HNM for botters only" ect. As I said earlier in this, theres no hnms out ATM, so no point crying, if they add them, look at content and see if it's good for both sides, if it's HNM only then I could see all this upset crap going on, also this is a forum, opinions are supposed to be expressed and discussed, not troll fest bullshit, that turns off people from these forums. Also, how are opinions supposed to be taken seriously or even looked at if the reps ect have to shovel thru miles of troll shit to find the points and comments that matter to the topic?

[Demon6324236]

Winrie, can you please explain why, to anyone, extremely long spawns are, or should be, a good idea to put back in?

Before you answer, let me point out, as you said

Most of us, like me enjoyed fighting exotic rare mobs that could floor us, not so much the prestige if there was any Norte gear so much.

if this is the mentality of most of the hardcore players then why are the times to these spawns get included in opinions saying to do it? Were it not for the HNMs being time spawn, or at least this long of a time spawn, I doubt I would have anything of a problem. Also if the gear is no problem, why do some say they want special gear? This is my biggest problem. I am all for fun, hard fights, but when restricted to such a small amount of players, and giving something that is rare not because of difficulty, but limitations, it upsets me.

Now that I have explained, can you please explain to me how these would be good for the game, and its players?

[Demon6324236]

To give another perspective.

Casuals screaming at hardcores for their preference in content is like yelling at someone for their choice in a burger at your local joint that differs from yours, get over yourself people have their own wants and likes, is that burger going in your mouth? Is someone forcing you to eat it? No.

The problem is not that people do not want to do the content, rather they are unable to. We don't have the money for that burger you want us to eat. If the event were only hard, not 20 hours to pop, not 4 hours of camping to see if you get it, just a really hard fight, that you can do with friends and ls members when you have time, and want to give it a go, like legion, I think people would be ok with it. The problem is the restrictions the time gives people, that makes the content very undesirable.

[Tamoa]

1. How about a new hnm or 2 with spawn conditions like Sandworm and Dark Ixion? I.e. they can spawn in any of a set number of zones, which make them more or less un-bottable - and to make it even harder give them multiple possible pop areas in each zone (like Sandworm). That way they can't be claimbotted, would that be ok with everyone who's so against new hnms because they believe it will bring back the bots?

2. Ridiculous windows like Tiamat - no thanks. But once a rl day, like the kings and SW/DI, with maybe a reduced window - 2 hours or something? How does that sound?

3. As for drops - well it's been suggested already, and it seems that most people who want hnms back agree that it's perfectly fine if the drops also come from another source, like king abjurations from Odin. Let's say the new hnms drop the same items as Neo-Odin, just as an example. What's so bad about that? And yes, SE took their time adding content where you could obtain king abjurations without having to actually camp kings - that doesn't mean they'd do that this time around.


I know it's hard to believe for the majority of the players, but some people actually enjoyed hnms and miss that aspect of the game. The thrill of the hunt, of getting claim (with out without bots, please stop believing that botting = guaranteed claim), the drama that often unfolded when competition claimed and started to wipe etc - some people actually found that fun. Oh and please don't elaborate too much on the "drama" part - I'm not talking about mpk attempts and things like that.


So in short, if the gear is obtainable elsewhere, no Tiamat-like windows, and pop conditions similar to SW/DI - would that be ok for all of you who're opposed to new hnms?

[Demon6324236]

Gear obtainable via alternative source. 1~2 hour pop times. Yes, this is acceptable to me.

[zataz]

To give another perspective.The problem is not that people do not want to do the content, rather they are unable to. We don't have the money for that burger you want us to eat. If the event were only hard, not 20 hours to pop, not 4 hours of camping to see if you get it, just a really hard fight, that you can do with friends and ls members when you have time, and want to give it a go, like legion, I think people would be ok with it. The problem is the restrictions the time gives people, that makes the content very undesirable.

i understand your point of time limitations and i respect your opinion on hnms. but like i said before i personally enjoy camping. u all are like grade schooler's i mean who cares what person a has if there rude blacklist them and be done your argument is u might not claim the nm (assuming u really try) or it might not be up when u get on.. who's to say they won't do like speed belt there's like 3 versions of it. lol each come from a different source, they dont have to be 21-24 why not 2-8 ? i don't have a Empyrean Relic or mystic. i dont really need them i still manage to have loads of fun. a peice of gear or armor doesn't make or break u. if it does in "your friends eyes" then u need new friends. all i'm trying to say is u all are fighting over something that may or may not matter. and to anyone who says camping is a waste of time. playing a game is a waste of time.

[Tunasushi]

Gear obtainable via alternative source. 1~2 hour pop times. Yes, this is acceptable to me.

lmao.

"It's only acceptable if it fits MY playstyle!!!"

gtfo lol and lol@ur sig. Abyssea will never be endgame.

[Tyrion]

Just because I missed windows, doesn't mean I am ignorent to the inner workings...

You do realise hnm used to pop with in 24 hour cool downs based on last kill. In my experience outside server resets... said hnm typically poped around 12am-5am. That is how i missed spawn times i was sleeping, or doing sky or dynamis around then.

But in reality what does my missing spawns have anything to do with allowing or suggesting content be on such a large cool down timer?

Has nothing to do with it, just wish your story was a little consistent.

[Winrie]

Yeah I understand many can't do it due to time. I'm only in favor of of timed spawns again under certain circumstances, so you understand where I'm coming from:

Tiamat window length I can do without, this day and age I myself have a full-time job and a family to deal with among my rl. Idk what's a fair repop for everyone for a hard set of monsters with great gear.

I'm fine with timed spawns if there's alternate content that drops same stuff/alternatives that are just as good as HNM gear, appearance changes could be made between gear types to distinguish an avid HNM camper from a casual content dweller, which sates the desire for diversity in players IMHO.
Example: a hauberk with + 20 to stats that look like say an ebody that has some spikes or whatever on it and it glows drops off pink fafnir, while a similar hauberk drops off let's say a casual friendly dungeon boss and it has the exact same stats but doesnt have the same exact appearance. By looking at both ppl you see what guy time sinker HNM for his body and which one casually got. Idk, it's trivial tbh and serves no benefit other than to sate the diversity and wanting to look pro in your HNM gear. Cosmetic bullshit.

Personally I'd like a system of NM battles that actually gave me a
Need for a solid LS again that uses a win x times for x reward type of deal. Not like vw where it's all rng. NM can have low drop rates upon kill np but as long as veryone is guaranteed spoils ultimately everyone is happy.

To answer the question of whom it benefits to have HNM again: only the ppl who want HNM, it's one more thing for them to do, and it gives them somehinf they want too, and as I said, if alternate content grants equivalent to equal gear/same gear, no one loses and everybody wins, and in a business standpoint making the most people happy as best as possible is win win. But as with everything in life, not everyone will ve totally happy, and there will always be critics. Just a fact :/