NEO Nyzul 2.0

[Demon6324236]

MNK+WHM for Behemoth (magic defense gear)

BST can do this solo as well even, idk about the other 2 but I have seen many BSTs including myself solo the Behemoth.

[Dragoy]

psht you call that old school i used to live in japan , on ps2 i could out claim people since mob would spawn on my screen a full 10-20 secs before even loading on PC users screens, PS2 was the OG claim bot back in the day.

Surely nothing to do with the fact that them servers are located in Japan? ^^;
If you indeed mean that PC-users in Japan would have that 'lag', too, then I do find it peculiar indeed.


Ack! Now I reminded myself of 'camping' the Charybdis, or 'Chabit', as my friend called it.

Fun times with several Japanese (or rather people located near Japan) to compete with...

[Mittenz]

actually for the most part PS2 used to have a huge advantage of the mob loading faster on the system so your best claim bet was a ps2 and turbo controller. Up until they added the lockout timer that was a fairly reliable claim method. It had nothing to do with where you were, the PS2 was so dumbed down there was like no load time for models is my guess. Also as far as I can remember (its been a few years since there was 100's in aery for the dragon) the PS2 prioritized mob loading over players so there was no where is it I cant see it going on (at least I always saw it while so many others were scrambling trying to figure out where it was).

Though i think this is getting a little off the topic of neo nyzul and HNM and claiming arguements should probably make their way to the other blossoming thread as this is for nyzul.

[Llana_Virren]

As all of this relates to Nyzul Isle: Cheaters will cheat no matter what.

The issue is that (despite what your trademark trolls are telling you) Nyzul Isle 2.0 is broken; you are forced into a SCHx2, UberDDx4 configuration (with no exceptions), and assuming you do not use any "ninjitsu" you will not reach floor 100 in more than 2% of your trial runs, and your success on that floor even less.

Skill -must- compliment luck. As it stands, luck+ninjitsu > skill+luck, or luck+luck, or skill+ninjutsu. Anything that -requires- Embrava x2 is broken. Anything that counts lobby time against you is poorly configured, and anything that doesn't rewarded you per objective is poorly designed.

What could be changed?

1. Remove lobby time penalty. There is no reason for this penalty, especially since it is a non-optional part of the trial.

2. Pause time upon floor objective completion. Do not pause time on floor objective completion when conditions such as "do not aggro gears/do not kill gears/do not killl non-target monsters" are failed.

3. For "bonus objectives" completed (such as: Did not aggro/kill gears or non-target monsters): Grant bonus time.

4. For every status effect-inflicting floor, equate a bonus with a penalty, such as:
Subjobs Locked = JA timers reduced to 0.
Weaponskills Locked = Increase Movement Speed
Job abilities Locked = Increase Magic damage and Regain effect

5. On Boss floors (20/40/60/80) that are below the maximum floor selected (ie. Floor 20 for 40/60/80/100 caps; Floor 80 on Floor 100 caps only; never on Floor 100) grant a random amount of bonus time from 10-60 seconds upon completion, based on hidden factors (such as having the minimum cumulative amount of damage dealt by player with killing blow, or something else that makes things interesting and challenging to trigger).

As of right now, the only incentive is to kill quickly, damned the consequences, skillcraft is meaningless. This is why Nyzul Isle 2.0 will continue to be a cheaters' paradise: there are no incentives for players to not cheat or to put in an honest effort.

[Fupafighter]

Yes you can do just fine without cheats. Ever hear of powder boots? Buy 10 pairs of them and rotate fulltime them. Flee at the start of every floor needed for the cost of 3% haste sounds worth it to me. And yes mediocre groups shouldn't be clearing this content. Look at the gear, it's a step up from the best gear in the game. Why should some +1 dark be able to get it?........

[Demon6324236]

Yes you can do just fine without cheats. Ever hear of powder boots? Buy 10 pairs of them and rotate fulltime them. Flee at the start of every floor needed for the cost of 3% haste sounds worth it to me. And yes mediocre groups shouldn't be clearing this content. Look at the gear, it's a step up from the best gear in the game. Why should some +1 dark be able to get it?........

Because it should not be super exclusive at this point in this game, everything else has moved to a much more fast paced & open game but this is just a once a day grind of luck to hope you don't get screwed. A +1 DRK can get this gear I'm sure with his other 3 +1 HDD friends and 2 SCHs if they get lucky enough on jumps to get 8~9 a jump. Same time the best people on the game could go in and try and get 2~4 jumps and get nothing. Luck is bad and detrimental. To say its possible is a duh, to say its reasonable is foolish imo, it seems very badly balanced because SE throws around a word it apparently does not comprehend.

[Fupafighter]

If it were based on skill, we would either be bitching it's too hard, or bitching that we have nothing to do anymore. This event is perfect.

[Demon6324236]

If it were based on skill, we would either be bitching it's too hard, or bitching that we have nothing to do anymore. This event is perfect.

Luck is not perfect its stupid & illogical to rely on because it means you have a random number that chooses if you wasted your time or if your rewarded for it. When I do something I want a guaranty that if I do things right I will be rewarded in some way, giving us a KI at the top doesn't count, because its just as bad as if they just let us get to the top easier but no KI, only random drops. At least then you can get SOMETHING for your effort. As it is now their excuse for why it is so "hard" is because we get a 100% chance at a KI which will give us something we want. I would rather actually make it to the top and get something I don't want than to never make it to the top to get something I do want.

Skill is logical to rely on because you get something if you are good enough to have it or are lucky enough to have it, if you are not good enough you can improve to overcome it. Luck you cannot improve over, you just roll the dice till you get the number you need, improvements are nice and might help a lil in this case but it doesn't change the fact that ultimately that dice is far more powerful at determining your chances & ability to reach the end.

In this game things should be 70% skill 30% luck give or take 10% depending on events. VW is 80% luck 20% skill, This is about 70% luck 30% skill, far on the other side of the table and should be fixed!

[Llana_Virren]

If it were based on skill, we would either be bitching it's too hard, or bitching that we have nothing to do anymore. This event is perfect.

So you're saying lucky players who suck at their job outside of Nyzul, deserve to get better gear?

Please, upload a youtube clip of one of your Nyzul runs... and make sure you show us that you're not doing the typical DDx4/SCHx2 setup... and no movement tricks now, just your powder boots!

Don't worry, I'll wait....

[Fupafighter]

Nyzle isle has always been random floors and luck based. I'll let you know in a week or so how it goes. Our first run ever as a static was like floor 86 floor 89 floor 96 and floor 76. You know what's funny though? None of us are bitching about how it's too hard and luck based. If they made the event easier than it already is, then groups that are expert compared to my group would clear floor 100 100% of the time and there would be no point in doing the event after FIFTEEN days max. Why can't ya all just be happy and either man up and level a job that's nyzle isle friendly, or avoid the content until new content comes out.