Thread: NEO Nyzul 2.0

Originally Posted by user201108211515

ugh this is why I blocked your posts you talk alot but dont say much. Thats all your oppinion and your can think what you want but to say my idea wouldnt work just cauz you say. Much like you demand the fixes even if you have to use a bot.. just cauz you say.. Its not about you or me its about what is right. It isnt right that honest people are forced to play with people that cheat. period end of conversation. Nothing you or anyone can say will change the fact that cheating, at a kids game no less. Is wrong. And its a slap in the face to charge people for a broken game. So have fun posting pointless essays of what you think but I dont need 3 paragraphs to know what is right and what is wrong.

By your thinking. I should find a bot that causes other people that bot to lag or freeze up. Since its an aspect of the game I dont like and I'm too impatient for SE to do the right thing. If you have ever been on XBL you should know that people have the power to drop you from the games. reseting your router and what not. So is that what you would have me do. Fight fire with fire? Hax to stop hacks? When will it end? Or should I do the right thing. Play by the rules. Voice my complaints. And hope that majority will rule in the form of other players complaining as well.

Seriously done talkn to you.

What I'm saying is your asking for something unrealistic that SE will likely not actually let happen because it goes against their past, you just ignore me and put your fingers in your ears till you see my mouth stop moving then call me stupid and put words in my mouth. I never said for you to cheat, or cheat to beat cheaters. What I said is you ask for a small server with small amounts of people which this game is a MMO, MMOs are built with large player bases in mind. Your small world would not work because of the heavy need for many people. When you can get 100 people to say in this forum that they would do it, you might have something, till then no. I will not believe enough people would be willing to cut themselves away from 50%~90% of players just for that.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

May be if console players hadnt spent 8ish years being cheated at things like HNM... We would have alot more console players still on the game. No one likes to play a game they have no chance at cauz people are cheating. It could be a way for SE to get console players back into the game.

For quite a while console players had a fiew advantages over PC players, to include faster loading zones/mobs, and being able to use the computer while playing. It took over a year of Windower becoming more and more popular before SE finally allowed FFXI to operate in a windowed mode. Another 8 years after that before the idea of overhauling a dated GUI to be of any use.

Console players do not need their own server, they need to stop playing on the PS2. XBox players I have no issue with, really, except that I understand certain zones force them to d/c, but at least the 360 is a newer system and should get support. PS2 is so antequated it is laughable that anyone still plays FFXI on it. I say laughable, but really it's sad.

This thread is titled "NEO Nyzul 2.0" yet it has become nothing but a whirlpool of "QQ, my PS2 can't handle things that were designed years after it was released." Consoles cannot upgrade, PCs can. Upgrades to a game like FFXI (or any MMO) are necessary to maintain player interest. If within the time span of 10 years you haven't managed to get FFXI for your PC or 360, you shouldn't even have access to new content, let alone d/c when you're in those areas. ToAU areas clearly suffered in appearance due to console graphics rendering. Any new content has to be dumbed down to PS2-capabilities.


In summary:

Kill the console support before the forums are overrun with more "I'm having this issue with FFXI. Critical bug!" and it turns out the guy plays on PS2.... Playstation2 is the issue.

360 players: you're cool, even though SE apparently hates you.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

They made a windower but if that wasnt enough people should say so.

People are saying so. Are you blind? Pretty much the entire forum is filled with complaints about things people want to have fixed, including many things that Windower has already fixed (like the macro system). That is because no one wants to cheat. People do it because the game is lacking some seriously commonplace features. I don't know a single person who wouldn't love if it SE made Windower obsolete. However, not by powerbanning everyone who has ever used it, but instead incorporate the useful features into their own game.

Originally Posted by user201108211515

SE wont do anything if people dont complain that is for sure.

And no one (except you) is complaining about this particular issue, because there is a lot of actually important stuff to be done. This ranks just below fixing beetles' feet. No one is hurt by this other than your ego. You hate not being able to do what "the cheaters" can, so you lash out and call them names and want them gone from "your game", even though they're not harming you in any way. And you completely disregard that your solution is entirely ridiculous and would never work. Why do you think SE is merging servers all the time? Because the playerbase is declining. Do you really wanna put the five remaining PS2 users on one server and watch them play a game with no parties, no economy, no crafting and no events that cannot be 2boxed? And if yes (proving you're entirely insane), do you really think SE would go for that? They'd kill the PS2 completely before it ever came to this. Which wouldn't be a bad thing in the first place.

Thankfully, no one listens to you, especially not SE.

Originally Posted by Arcon

I never meant to imply it that way. To rephrase it, let's call it the "harmless kind". The kind that doesn't alter the gameplay experience and that doesn't interact with other people in a negative way.

Arguably it could still be good for SE, because I'm sure that without some of these tools, quite a few people would not be playing their game anymore.

Yeah, I figured later on. I just thought about it a bit wrong way.
Unfortunately, I have to again agree on the latter part as well...

Originally Posted by user201108211515

seriously.. a "rep" posts here but sayn not 1 word about people cheating... or about the people admiting to cheating in this thread. This is a complete joke. Way to have 0 intergrity SE. Way to let people know its ok to cheat.

They are the Community Representatives indeed. That is to say, they are not the Special Task Force (Unit), forum Moderators, nor Gamemasters, so it's basically their job not to take part of rule enforcing (in-game or in-forum). ^^;

Or in other words: the work of a “rep” it is not.


That being said, I don't think the cheating is a problem with this event, but the event itself. Cheating is a whole another matter, and has always been an issue, and should of course be tackled with the honest player's best interests in mind. Meaning rather than adjust the event for the cheaters, adjust it for the 'clean', honest players, and thus for everyone else.

In case it has not been said enough yet: random and luck does not fun and challenge make.

Adjustments to them lamps would surely be an improvement. Almost anything done about those should make it better, but there is so much more that could be done with this event; make it really new.

But I digress...

Originally Posted by Alistaire

Got a good laugh at that considering the change to kings made Black Belt about 10-20 times harder to get and time consuming in doing it.

you tried it? I recently finallydecided to get BB items for 2 MNK mules using seals, so i can get those extra 3 STR. The 3 KSNM99 can be easilly 2 manned or 3 manned with monks; MNK+WHM for Behemoth (magic defense gear), MNK+WHM+RDM for wyrm (chainspell thunder 4), MNK+WHM+SCH for turtle (Klaustra). Not to mention the poped NMs and their HQ are jokes compared to the ks99 mobs.

I pretty much went 1/3 for each items that i farmed twice for 2 mules. I even got a HQ behemoth and a HQ turtle. People tend to exagerate or extrapolate out of their crap luck. The drop rate from ks99 from experience and what people say is ~1/4 and the drop rate on HQ pop with TH12+ is ~1/5. Not to mention HQ pop can be bought lol (5-10M a pop is nothing by today's economy). I'd say BB is 10x easier to get now. I had to pay 15Mil back in the day which was 50+mil of today.

Originally Posted by Monchat

you tried it? I recently finallydecided to get BB items for 2 MNK mules using seals, so i can get those extra 3 STR. The 3 KSNM99 can be easilly 2 manned or 3 manned with monks; MNK+WHM for Behemoth (magic defense gear), MNK+WHM+RDM for wyrm (chainspell thunder 4), MNK+WHM+SCH for turtle (Klaustra). Not to mention the poped NMs and their HQ are jokes compared to the ks99 mobs.

I pretty much went 1/3 for each items that i farmed twice for 2 mules. I even got a HQ behemoth and a HQ turtle. People tend to exagerate or extrapolate out of their crap luck. The drop rate from ks99 from experience and what people say is ~1/4 and the drop rate on HQ pop with TH12+ is ~1/5. Not to mention HQ pop can be bought lol (5-10M a pop is nothing by today's economy). I'd say BB is 10x easier to get now. I had to pay 15Mil back in the day which was 50+mil of today.

It's only easier to farm it because of the level increase. The drop rate is a lot worse and it costs a lot more if you wanna pay for it. They removed it completely from the NQ pool and reduced the drop rate from 100% drastically from the HQ.

You spout about people extrapolating from their bad luck, then you go and do the same with "your experience". The drop rate across KS99s is 1/5 (72/356 gathered from all the data on Wiki), meaning it would take 1500 KS on average to get it just from there, which is entirely unrealistic. I didn't get half that much KS in all my years playing this game. And one HQ pop, especially for Behemoth, will go for 8~10M, depending on the server. So either you waste all of your KS and possibly convert all your BS, KC and HKC in the process, or you spend about 100M popping enough HQ kings, or any linear combination of the two. Your best bet is still to wait for shouts and hope someone is actually doing KS99 for something else, so you can buy the drop off of them. And even these go for a lot more than what they used to, because everyone spent almost all their KS already and not many people are doing it at all anymore.

HQ kings are 50% drop rate you know. I killed 4-5 Behemoth, 3 nidhogg and 2 aspid and got 4 items. It is still easier to get compared to the bullshit you had to go through at level 75. I "camped" 2 weeks in dragon aery to buy the beard from a LS willing to sell, and i got my egg after 3 weeks of camping ( and only managed to claim 2 NQ, eventually bought from the HQ). For people in LSes to get thier item it was even worse... You had to wait your turn... And ks99 plain sucked seing as everyone doing it were after BB item, since strider's and speed belt were extremely rare.