NEO Nyzul 2.0

[Daniel_Hatcher]

This is a stupid, stupid idea and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

[Siiri]

It'd go from barely anyone winning, to no one winning. At least it might make SE look into how stupid it is.

Flee Hacks, .DAT Swapping and two SCH's SHOULD not be the only means to beat something.

Only the bolded can "occasionally" be removed for the win.

That is my point. It is stupid to design an event around one job's 2 hour to the point you need 2 to fully clear. Same reason Perfect Defense is flawed, if players think they are so awesome why do we need Perfect defense. Lets go straight up without gimmicks. Impossible? Then SE needs to adjust the event so gimmicks are not required.

Again, DRK was nerfed for the same reason, the 2 hour was too strong for events. Same thing here.

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

[Luvbunny]

I freely admit I dislike scholar, maybe even downright hate it. That really isn't the issue though. The issue is bad game design disguised by an overpowered 2 hour to the point that 2 of the 6 members have to be scholar.

That statement.... You mad bro? Jealous? What? you leveled a dumb dumb job? Scholar 2 hours is by far one of the best 2 hours in the game, finally the developer did something right and created a 2 hours that is worth its title. Before you twisted your panty once again, and go crying, let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works. I bet you soon Neo Nyzul will require some of these potent new two hours to be used and it will make Embrava looks like a yesterday news. Then you can go back here hating several new jobs and complaint how unfair blah blah blah. Embrava is fine the way it is, not over powered, it's the right ability for scholar since to master that job you must be able to use things strategically, something you obviously have no experience.

Granted I agree with you that no events should be designed with certain jobs in mind to be able to complete it. But the players found out how to go around this so called "balance", it's too bad they also need cheat programs, and the fact that you need job xyz. What Embrava did is to let all the DDs go all out, and the fact that Embrava is extremely efficient with haste, regen, and regain. Same thing can be said for Corsair + Summoner combo but the fact that you do not get the same amount of duration and potency. But let's not derail the main problem here, this event is 100% luck based, if they added time extension so you can get up to 45-60 minutes, then all problems here will be removed and all jobs combination can work. The only factor would be getting lucky with the drops or the fact that you need to kill floor boss mob 15 times.

[scaevola]

let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works. I bet you soon Neo Nyzul will require some of these potent new two hours to be used and it will make Embrava looks like a yesterday news.

i am going to gloss over everything that's dumb about your post and focus on this, because it really underscores what's wrong with the rest of it

does a game full of super-powerful two hours that dominate the rest of everyone's skillset sound like it would be fun to play

like, do you think league of legends would be a better game if everybody just hung out in their base until R was back up again

EDIT: FTR I kind of hope (well, I really hope) the two-hour merits end up reducing the cooldown on the basic two-hours rather than strengthening them; the stronger ones don't need to be any stronger, and I think a lot of the weaker ones would gain a lot from shorter cooldowns, thus making them something you could actually rely on in a real-world situation. Just off the top of my head, if you gave Spirit Surge, Perfect Dodge, Blood Weapon, Trance, Invincible, and Benediction 20-minute cooldowns it would completely change the way each of those jobs play, I'd think. It's exciting to think about, really.

A lot more exciting than stuff straight-up better than Embrava, at least.

[Siiri]

That statement.... You mad bro? Jealous? What? you leveled a dumb dumb job? Scholar 2 hours is by far one of the best 2 hours in the game, finally the developer did something right and created a 2 hours that is worth its title. Before you twisted your panty once again, and go crying, let me remind you the upcoming revision to existing 2 hours and some new meritable ones that is in the works.

Nope, not mad or jealous. I have many jobs at 99, same as most people in this thread. I have adapted my jobs and play style over the last 7 years, taking part in every event in game at one time or another. I will state again, my issue with scholar has nothing to do with my points in this thread. I think the existence of over powered 2 hour abilities is bad game design, whether they are SAM only Nyzul shouts at 75, Kclub drk AV fights (which was nerfed), Perfect Defense AV/Pandemonium Warden fights, or embrava fueled Nyzul 2.0, Legion and Provenance. I am not picking on scholar, I am calling out the game design. Sorry you feel the need to insult me to make your argument.

[scaevola]

He/she's actually right about Embrava, for the same reason Perfect Defense ought to be nerfed: it's so powerful that it trivializes any content not balanced around its presence, but balancing around the assumption that it's there (and utilized properly via strategems) makes content basically impossible without it.

Any potential balancing decisions made in light of this are bad for the game, no matter the result. As Hatcher mentions, hacks or not nobody would disagree there were deep and serious problems with Nyzul that needed to be addressed if Embrava were not in the game (or were at least limited, like not stacking with strategems or applying a debuff to prevent back-to-back casts like WoW's Bloodlust/Time Warp). It would be better for PD and Embrava to just not exist, but if they must, we would all be better off if they were nerfed.