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    i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.
    My point is simply because as it stands the Dev's think it's ok since you can do it via hacks and 2 jobs (that are required)

    By removing that at least they'd see it's not designed as well as they think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    i fail to see the point in NERFING a job instead of ... idk spending 2-3 days in abyssea / sea/ sky gearing out a sch and being able to do the content.... the amount of time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.
    How am I crying? I stated my opinion that an event should not be balanced around a 2 hour. I think Embrava/PD are gimmicky. Does that mean I do not use them? No, in fact I just used them last night for PW. I just acknowledge that I am using a gimmick, and not pretending a job's 2 hour makes me a great player or better than anyone.
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    Because it leads to situations like Nyzul (but more to the point, situations like Legion) where unbalanced, stupid content gets to stay unbalanced and stupid for literally no other reason than that the ability exists.

    Need I remind you that Embrava is still really new and this balance idiocy started almost immediately? This doesn't seem wrong to you on some level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokku View Post
    the time you guys have spent crying about embrava and PD you could have spent abusing them and had at least some of your NI2.0 gear.
    lol, so true.
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    they know damn well its not designed right, they put it in anyways. nerfing embrava is stupid you would ruin alot of fights *prov watcher* and set sch back to a subjob.

    NI is luck based all embrava is doing is removing some of the RNG

    better yet lets use VW

    NI2.0 = VW without lights but floor 100 is getting your body.

    now yes some people who never use cells never cap lights WILL get a body (ni floor 100 win) but 90% of the time your going to get more log drops then a porta potty @ the superbowl.

    embava for this event is the equivalent of procing white on VW , does it get you your drops 100%? nope but it sure as fuck raises the chance of you getting A drop.

    so if you have no issue with white procs being in VW then you should have no issue with embrava helping out in NI.

    embava isnt the enemy here its , RNG floors and Lamps and the lack of a waiting room forcing people to rush as soon as they entered. you could have all the embrava and best players in the world shit floors and mobs will still cost you a loss.
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    Last edited by Gokku; 06-02-2012 at 05:10 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by isladar View Post
    As far as I'm aware BG has always held the position of "We're not the *** Morality Police". People are welcome to express their opinions about third party programs on this site. However, we will, as stated, ban the *** *** out of someone trying to post links to said programs. And if people want to cry about Stan's guild program then they should probably start boycotting ffxiah. And excel.

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    I actually agree with the idea that NI isn't dramatically different than VW in its reward structure; they have simply relocated the RNG in the process.

    If people could use a third party program to increase their Red to 800%, I would bet Hard-Earned American Dollars they'd whine about how unfair voidwatch droprates are (and they are, don't get me wrong) to justify that, too!
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    Last edited by scaevola; 06-02-2012 at 05:24 AM.
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    LMAO, you should blame the developer. The new 2 hours will probably good ones, with some jobs getting the shaft as usual. The players will probably find out which ones is appropriate in helping clearing Neo Nyzul. The only thing good about Embrava is that the time duration and potency. Since NN is limited with time, Embrava helps a great deal. When time is no longer an urgency, you can replace Embrava with similar benefits from other jobs. While you are at it, the other 4 slots is actually for well geared DDs (Samurai, Warriors, Monk), may want to cry foul at this and start asking for nerf since it excludes Black Mage, Red Mage and probably a good amount of other jobs as well.

    Beside, when you have 2 hours ability that is as powerful as Embrava, you USE IT when you deem is appropriate. You don't just prancing around trying to solve this so called challenge with your "skill". There is no skill involved here, just plain LUCK, and Communication. And if you get slammed with Lamp Floors multiple times, well there goes your Embrava. Kill one mob, kill all mob, or kill specific mobs family are not challenge.
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    Last edited by Luvbunny; 06-02-2012 at 05:46 AM.

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    Why people advocate for the nerfing of jobs or abilities instead of adjustments to events is beyond me.
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    Again, if you want to place blame, blame the developers for creating unbalanced contents. As for jobs xyz getting preferred treatment, that is just how the game works. After awhile the players will find out which jobs are the most efficient at clearing particular tasks. As for 2 hours being overpowered, perhaps you forgot other super powered 2 hours? Familiar is also extremely powerful, it lasts 30 minutes and longer when you have jug pets. There are many other 2 hours that is just as good as Embrava, albeit for different situations, and at this point not for Neo Nyzul. Save your hatred for something else. I don't hate any jobs in FFXI, each one is useful for certain situations, not one job is a solution for everything, well except White Mage, one of the best mage jobs in this game, PERFECT 10 - in case you are looking for another nerf this job case...
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