Atmacite being so expensive.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

point is who the heck goes to do vw just for the cruor,

Half the people I know. It's still a valuable resourse.

[Mahoro]

point is who the heck goes to do vw just for the cruor, the drop rate on these items are so small you'd probably only go to get a drop yourself, which means you're using cells, which means you're cruor return is minimal making it an unrealistic way to fund atmacites even though they claimed aby farming would not be necessary to fund vw based activities.

LS runs. LS constantly rotates mobs. Those who don't need drops off the particular target don't trade cells, and thus rake in the cruor.

[Unleashhell]

Why don't you guys do Besieged and Campaign and use the points to buy cells for VW? Then you save all your cruor, not to mention you don't need to buy every type of cell....

[Rezeak]

Idk if I'd call getting 7380 cruor from Bishani just now - a low tier fight taking around 5 minutes - a minimal gain? That's after cruor for rubicund cells have been subtracted obviously. If you spam a lot of Qilin for example, wanting heavy metal pouches and maybe a Coruscanti, you earn roughly 10k cruor per fight, and if your group is good, each fight only takes a few minutes. I rarely set foot in Abyssea these days and don't have too much trouble upgrading atmacites - both DD and mage ones.

yep nice and fast at 10k a run you only need to 280 runs to upgrade the most expensive atmacite in the gameor 75 runs for the cheapest

[Tamoa]

yep nice and fast at 10k a run you only need to 280 runs to upgrade the most expensive atmacite in the gameor 75 runs for the cheapest

So? If you are in such a hurry to upgrade to level 15 immediately, go do cruor burns when you aren't doing voidwatch. Or, do what I do - upgrade a little at a time. How many people do you think are able to upgrade all good atmacites to level 15 as soon as they get them? A little patience goes a long way. Plus not wasting cruor on useless cells. Hell, you can even buy cells for AN/CP/IS and gil, to save the cruor cost.

[Luvbunny]

I think when they created VW + atmacite, they looked at how much fun the atmas + abyssea content is, and decided that kind of failure will never be repeated again. Players should not have fun, enjoyable and accessible content where you can have measured progression and a good drop rate of treasures. So they decided to give us with super weak atmacite and the only way you get it at full power is to upgrade and do VW over and over, or via cruor party. They also lower the drop rate so that it is close to impossible to get it without doing it over 50-200 times, coupled with multiple useless crap in the treasure pool, and the need to have 18 people to complete the event at the higher tier. Anything and everything just to make sure that the failure that is abyssea will never be repeated ever again. And the player base will never know the word fun, enjoyable and accessible - instead they are now conditioned with grind, more grind, and another grind.

[Mahoro]

Do you have a template called a "Luvbunny Message" that you just cut-and-paste and apply to different threads as you see fit? Because that's how your posts read to me. Every single one either mentions the "grind", "accessibility", "the difference between this content and Abyssea", "how the game is not enjoyable", and how "Abyssea was a failure to them". I keep expecting you to implode one day and cancel sub, but it hasn't happened yet.

[svengalis]

I think when they created VW + atmacite, they looked at how much fun the atmas + abyssea content is, and decided that kind of failure will never be repeated again. Players should not have fun, enjoyable and accessible content where you can have measured progression and a good drop rate of treasures. So they decided to give us with super weak atmacite and the only way you get it at full power is to upgrade and do VW over and over, or via cruor party. They also lower the drop rate so that it is close to impossible to get it without doing it over 50-200 times, coupled with multiple useless crap in the treasure pool, and the need to have 18 people to complete the event at the higher tier. Anything and everything just to make sure that the failure that is abyssea will never be repeated ever again. And the player base will never know the word fun, enjoyable and accessible - instead they are now conditioned with grind, more grind, and another grind.

What did you exspect to happen when people asked for harder content?

[hiko]

What did you exspect to happen when people asked for harder content?

harder fight with decent drop rate, not stupid fight with stupidlow drop rate or stupid RNG

[svengalis]

and don't forget people who spent 1M CRUOR on an atmacite who was made useless next update

What atmacite was that?