[dev1115] Job Adjustments: Red Mage

[Bayohne]

Greetings,

I understand your desire to see some updates to your favorite job, but I wanted to let you know that these latest rounds of adjustments were more focused on Group 2 merits and those that specifically had long re-use timers, and making adjustments to them beyond that. For our red mages, we're still planning the changes outlined in the [dev1093] Enfeebling Magic Resistance of Monsters and as soon as we have more to announce you can be sure we'll share it with you!

[Economizer]

more focused on Group 2 merits and those that specifically had long re-use timers

I note that part of the changes seem to be making it so you can merit more widely with less penalty by changing the reuse timers. I think what people are asking for is for the Group 2 enfeebles for Red Mage to be changed to match this, for example, Dia III, Bio III, and Phalanx II could be changed from having its duration affected by merits, and where applicable the merits could be more focused on the actual effect.

While I could be mistaken, I'm almost certain this is what many people are asking to have changed when speaking in regards to the merit categories in comparison to recent changes.

[Zirael]

Greetings,

I understand your desire to see some updates to your favorite job, but I wanted to let you know that these latest rounds of adjustments were more focused on Group 2 merits and those that specifically had long re-use timers, and making adjustments to them beyond that. For our red mages, we're still planning the changes outlined in the [dev1093] Enfeebling Magic Resistance of Monsters and as soon as we have more to announce you can be sure we'll share it with you!

These changes aren't directed towards RDM, but any mage job in general. A BLU or NIN will get more use out of it than RDM. Dia III can not be resisted as it is. Enfeebling magic landing or not landing does not make RDM desirable (or even tolerable) in end game events. You'd sooner take a Boost-STR, Embrava or Thundaja mage than lolRefresh II/Gravity II one.

[Ladyofdragons]

These changes aren't directed towards RDM, but any mage job in general. A BLU or NIN will get more use out of it than RDM. Dia III can not be resisted as it is. Enfeebling magic landing or not landing does not make RDM desirable (or even tolerable) in end game events. You'd sooner take a Boost-STR, Embrava or Thundaja mage than lolRefresh II/Gravity II one.

Totally agree

[ManaKing]

Greetings,

Enfeebles, your jobs main magic proficiency, is still broke and we don't feel you deserve your Category 2 Merits adjusted like the rest of the jobs.

P.S. RDM still gets no love.

Loud and Clear.

[saevel]

Greetings,

I understand your desire to see some updates to your favorite job, but I wanted to let you know that these latest rounds of adjustments were more focused on Group 2 merits and those that specifically had long re-use timers, and making adjustments to them beyond that. For our red mages, we're still planning the changes outlined in the [dev1093] Enfeebling Magic Resistance of Monsters and as soon as we have more to announce you can be sure we'll share it with you!

Can you please bring this back to the devs. RDM's tier II merits DO NEED UPDATING. Specifically Dia / Bio / Phalanx II need their duration extended to max and have the rest do potency.

Or just release them as scrolls and make the merits raise potency instead. There problem fixed.

[Llana_Virren]

We're not bards...

...and because we're not Bards, our Enhancing spells should be predominantly self-cast.
A merit-unlock JA that allows a self-cast to be targettable, and another merit-unlock that turns a self-cast to be AOE would be ideal.

But of course, the only spells we currently have of use would be the En-spells and Temper. Temper should be the same category as Haste, imo. RDM can do many things... as long as the spells work, with self-cast only Buffs and Monster-immune debuffs... we're not really contributing in a meaningful way.

Now... let me rant about Enfeebles....

Let's say that Enfeebles fall under 2 types:
"Type A" enfeebles have a variating potency (Paralyze, for example).
"Type B" enfeebles have a static potency which will always take effect when they land (Silence, for example).

Right now, just about ALL of our spells lean towards the "type B" variety, which is why SE has been handing out immunities like candy. It's difficult for me to realistically ask for more enfeebles when SE's choice of "balance" will be to make more NMs immune to those spells, rendering them pointless.

My soluation? Give enfeebles a varient check... obviously you check for accuracy, but also check for potency and duration as separate measurements.

For example:

1. Check for Accuracy.
Enfeebling Skill and dINT, with Magic Accuracy used after this formula as "icing on the cake" to ensure a spell lands. Similar to Bar-effect spells, a Mob's "resistence" to an effect would apply to the Accuracy of the spell only... if it lands, it checks for potency separately.

2-A. Type "A" Enfeebles: Check for Potency.
"Type A" enfeebles, which have varying potency, should have a static duration.
Remove immunities for =most= NMs. Enfeebling Skill, dINT apply to this calculation. Although monster "resistences" calculate for accuracy only, potency would be calculated by additional factors and have a floor/roof potency value:
Paralyze: 10~20% chance of action failure. Duration: 2min.
Paralyze II: 15~50% chance of action failure. Duration: 2min.
(If Paralyze(18%) is on target, and Paralyze II(15%) is cast, it will have no effect).

2-B. Type "B" Enfeebles: Check for Duration.
The other side of the "Potency coin". "Type B" enfeebles have a static potency and should have a varying duration:
Silence: 5sec/90sec
Silence II (imaginary): 15sec/2min

Now, you may NEVER max your potency or duration, especially on an NM... but "some effect" is still better than "no effect"....

[Kristal]

I understand your desire to see some updates to your favorite job,

Favorite job? I don't think there's anyone left that would still called it their favorite job... favorite SUBJOB, sure.

Unless ofcourse... perhaps when they are in a melancholic mood, thinking back of the times when the maximum level was still 75 and enfeebling skill still counted. When the difference between RDM and /RDM was beyond doubt, instead of negligable...

[cidbahamut]

Favorite job? I don't think there's anyone left that would still called it their favorite job... favorite SUBJOB, sure.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Favorite job? I don't think there's anyone left that would still called it their favorite job... favorite SUBJOB, sure.

Unless ofcourse... perhaps when they are in a melancholic mood, thinking back of the times when the maximum level was still 75 and enfeebling skill still counted. When the difference between RDM and /RDM was beyond doubt, instead of negligable...

Disagree.

It is still my favourite job, not being able to play it, or it having little to nothing unique to itself doesn't change that. It's my best geared job and my favourite to play as (even if it's only allowed solo now.)