[Suggestion] Final Fantasy XI - EXP System

[mattkoko]

as far as xp goes, i dont mind that you can get xp fast. i just hate that you can get a job from 30 to 99 completely naked. i would love love love the day if SE made abyssea 75+. then all they would have to do is take level sync out and it is good bye leeching. but yea, that is the problem i have with the xp system. you would still get super xp by doing pages. all you would need is 2-3 people to do pages with if you want even faster xp. imo, it is completely wrong to not have to go through the process of leveling so new people never even get to learn their job. it is extremely sad. i know a lot of people are going to hate me, but leeching needs to go. i am sure it wont though. but if SE ever does find a way to completely get rid of it, while everyone is bitching and saying "omfg i actually need to wear armor and bring a weapon to my xp party?" i will be laughing the whole time . well... i'm not going to get my hopes up. but i can most certainly dream

[Ravenmore]

as far as xp goes, i dont mind that you can get xp fast. i just hate that you can get a job from 30 to 99 completely naked. i would love love love the day if SE made abyssea 75+. then all they would have to do is take level sync out and it is good bye leeching. but yea, that is the problem i have with the xp system. you would still get super xp by doing pages. all you would need is 2-3 people to do pages with if you want even faster xp. imo, it is completely wrong to not have to go through the process of leveling so new people never even get to learn their job. it is extremely sad. i know a lot of people are going to hate me, but leeching needs to go. i am sure it wont though. but if SE ever does find a way to completely get rid of it, while everyone is bitching and saying "omfg i actually need to wear armor and bring a weapon to my xp party?" i will be laughing the whole time . well... i'm not going to get my hopes up. but i can most certainly dream

You seem to think low leveling was killed by leeching thing is it was all but dead before abyssea came out. With out the easy leveling we have now most would simply not bother with new jobs like the days of 75 before level sync. Because if the old way was so much better then why wasn't everyone walking around with 10 75s, cause people only cared about one or two that cought their eye that they were willing to take the chance that it would be fun at 75.

[Mifaco]

Translation of OP:

Please return to the days where 6 people were absolutely required for a PT.
Please return to the days where a BRD or RDM was needed for any chance at decent XP
Please return to the days where said BRD or RDM was flagged as "JP ONLY"
Please return to the days where after hiking up to golems in Sky, the tank/rdm/healer said "lol gtg" and left.
Please return to the days where your skillchain partner was so gimped, it took 3 fights for him to get to 100% TP...and then he missed the opening WS
Please return to the days where, even when people had 60 levels to learn their job, they still didn't have proper equipment,food, or weapon skilled up..
Please return to the days where so many people were camped at a location, the party had to disband after 3 fights.

[mattkoko]

You seem to think low leveling was killed by leeching thing is it was all but dead before abyssea came out. With out the easy leveling we have now most would simply not bother with new jobs like the days of 75 before level sync. Because if the old way was so much better then why wasn't everyone walking around with 10 75s, cause people only cared about one or two that cought their eye that they were willing to take the chance that it would be fun at 75.

i just dont agree that you can stand around naked and ding as you turn in pages. that is all. it is not that it was killed. thats not what bugs me. i said pretty damn clearly in that post that i do not like the leeching part. it is just plain sad that one can get from 30-99 with out even drawling their weapon. and just so you know, you can get a job from 1-75 in a matter of a few weeks just by doing GoV. some a little longer, some a little less depending on how much time you have. leveling is still easy with out leeching. and leeching is all i am focused on. shit, all they would have to do is make all the pages of gov have a minimum level so only those of a certain level can do that page. and again, make abyssea 75+. so am i against fast leveling? no. but i am for making it a requirement that you actually have to get gear and a weapon in order to level. just like any other game. again, this is just my opinion though

[Ravenmore]

Thats not even new though it happen back at 75 too. I take that over the old days any day. I can not tell you how many crappy rdms and brds I had to put up with just because they were the only ones seeking. Remember the days of rdms insisting on DD/nin only and refusing to heal if not even though it slowed down exp. Remember seeking for hours on the non-FOTM job. I remember all the hoops I had to jump though just to get into a party at any level so I will gladly put up with the player that did that then the old way. Because they are not even slowing my exp down so I don't care.

[Saefinn]

They did try and created GoV for lvl 90s in many areas. The xp are really good and you need a capable non afk group since the mob is somewhat challenging and not a breeze to kill without atmas. A solid group of 6 can easily get a good xp with the xp cap at 10k ish per page. If you bring an alliance then it's even faster. You don't need keyer, ever But most people don't bother trying or find out - that there is alternative than abyssea.

I'll probably go and try the level 90+ ones, as I've yet to do so. But for lower levels I wouldn't say GoV is like doing the old parties.

There's nothing stopping you from going to kill crabs and little pink birds right now with a party of 5 other people, so go do it and stop complaining.

And yet, you like to complain yourself. If I recall you've complained about the 99 trials and also complained about FFXI's new direction as it's not fun and it's not rewarding. Not that they are bad things to complain about, I mean the reason I remember you making those complaints is because I agreed with them.

However, this thread seems to have more suggestions than complaints (yes, there's a difference), probably because the OP was asking for ideas not inviting people to have a moan. One of the reasons SE created these forums was to get feedback from players, so you're going to see a number of threads with complaints and suggestions for improvement, it's really not THAT unreasonable.

[mattkoko]

Thats not even new though it happen back at 75 too. I take that over the old days any day. I can not tell you how many crappy rdms and brds I had to put up with just because they were the only ones seeking. Remember the days of rdms insisting on DD/nin only and refusing to heal if not even though it slowed down exp. Remember seeking for hours on the non-FOTM job. I remember all the hoops I had to jump though just to get into a party at any level so I will gladly put up with the player that did that then the old way. Because they are not even slowing my exp down so I don't care.

i am not saying go back to the old days lol. it is just the leeching part i have a problem with. you can still get plenty of xp doing GoV with out leeching. you can get from 1-75 in a matter of weeks more or less. and you can do that solo-trio depending on job obviously. my thing is that ffxi is one of the only game out their where you can stand around naked and ding levels out of the ass turning in pages every 5 kills. it is completely broken

[Ravenmore]

i am not saying go back to the old days lol. it is just the leeching part i have a problem with. you can still get plenty of xp doing GoV with out leeching. you can get from 1-75 in a matter of weeks more or less. and you can do that solo-trio depending on job obviously. my thing is that ffxi is one of the only game out their where you can stand around naked and ding levels out of the ass turning in pages every 5 kills. it is completely broken

You can do it in 14 as well. Every game there is some way to leech exp nothing FF11 is doing that is thgat much differant then any other.

[mattkoko]

You can do it in 14 as well. Every game there is some way to leech exp nothing FF11 is doing that is thgat much differant then any other.

nice. now name a game that is not made by SE lol

[Ravenmore]

WoW allowed a high level to run a low level though a low level instance and the low level got full exp.