[Suggestion] Final Fantasy XI - EXP System

[Damane]

Hey everyone! Before i start off i just want to say, Sorry if this has been suggested before, and if this is the wrong place to post this...

The one thing i loved to death about FFXI was the fact that it was challenging, but with Abby's Expansion (DLC) The game got waaaay to easy.. So i was thinking... Would it be possible for a patch that adds a Option to the config window, Like under gameplay it could say like "Would you like to play FFXI with Pre-Abby or FFXI's Current State"
EX: Pre-Abby is FFXI before Abby's arrival -Short Terms: Decreased EXP-
EX: FFXI's Current State -Short Terms: Increased EXP-
(There could also be a time limit between switch's like an Hour)

Also, they could add a party option depending on the leaders Settings.
There could be a notice when someone invites you saying
"Attention: This Parties leader is using the Pre-Abby settings"
And if their using current FFXI:
"Attention: This Parties leader is using "Abby Settings"

But thats all i thought of.... What do you think?

No... Period

[Xantavia]

What I miss about the old days was xp parties requiring some sort of team-work, before tp burning down little pink birds. I wouldn't mind going back to fighting a mob that took coordination to kill (tank, skillchain, magic burst), even if it took a few minutes to kill the mob. However, the only way this would be viable is if killing these mobs gave like 3k xp upon death. If the xp rate was similar to what you get by plowing through barely ep mobs, it would be a great way to mix up the process so you can choose your partying preference for the day.

[Saefinn]

What I miss about the old days was xp parties requiring some sort of team-work, before tp burning down little pink birds. I wouldn't mind going back to fighting a mob that took coordination to kill (tank, skillchain, magic burst), even if it took a few minutes to kill the mob. However, the only way this would be viable is if killing these mobs gave like 3k xp upon death. If the xp rate was similar to what you get by plowing through barely ep mobs, it would be a great way to mix up the process so you can choose your partying preference for the day.

I don't see why SE can't do that. It'd only mean more choice in terms of how you level up and make the process a little more interesting. Fast exp doesn't have to be monotonous.

[Rewyen]

I highly doubt they would ever consider implementing something like this, but it's not a a terrible idea. I don't know why people have to start being dicks about it. It's an MMORPG. That means it's community based. That means parties. That means Abyssea destroyed the core fundamentals of the game. You can all bitch and moan all you want that it didn't, I don't care. It did. Period. This game used to be something I enjoyed and looked forward to playing because I knew I would always meet someone new. Now? Might as well be playing FFX. At least no one in that game is rude. Even Seymour had manners.

I know what the OP is suggesting here. They would like to see the game return to the days when we HAD to rely on others and grow together and make those friendships. I understand the game is now old and is aimed at older players who are now 90+, but there are still new players coming in and unfortunately, most of them leave before the first limit break because no one will even give them the time of day. So yes, my personal opinion is that Abyssea came along and turned people into a bunch of jackass elitists who have nothing better to do than lurk on forums and flame genuine ideas that would make the game more enjoyable for the right reasons. This is nothing new. Go look at the most popular threads right now. They are all "I want I want gimme!" and are for stupid shit and are supported by 90% of the people. Meanwhile, a threat like this comes along with a desperate plea for something that might break the cycle of players becoming cold and indifferent, and BOOM! Instant dislike.

And it's because of this reason, this lack of people caring and the amount of people on this forum who make it their lifes work to be the biggest prick in the world, that I haven't logged in for a week because I know if I do, it will be the same old tired crap of logging into a game where all the zones are empty and people standing in one spot for six straight hours will respond to a help /tell with [I have plans].

[Saefinn]

Go QQ somewhere else. I'm only joking, but that's the sort of response you're probably expecting (and probably will get).

But you're right. There's a number of people who are more interesting in shitting on people's suggestions and trying to make them look stupid (I guess so they look smarter in comparison). Many people seem to lack basic social skills and it seems being a prick to other people is the only way they can communicate. Almost everybody post seems to be an effort to 1-Up somebody. Instead of enjoying a game with other people it's about being better than everybody else...but it's not Pokemon, not everybody wants to be the very best.

Whilst elitists might like to have big mouths and present themselves as the authority I've found that actually many players aren't actually like that. I suspect many level headed people avoid these forums, probably because they view it as petty or a waste of their time. I wouldn't mind seeing a much more civil forum, because I love this game, I have my own ideas for improvement and think it'd be a fantastic opportunity for people communicating outside of game about the game's content.

However, you can probably predict how people are going to respond.

[Luvbunny]

I don't understand why people complaint so much... the game now is FULL of OPTIONS on how you want to get your xp and level up.

1. You can do the old fashion way and get boost via GoV and FoV, all the way to 99 via various old school camping ground and most of them are EMPTY - you can even grab a bunch of people who are doing WS trials as well in the process. Either 6 people old school hardcore or alliance style, OPTIONS are everywhere. Heck you can even have your alt leech this way too, more money for SE, makes the game easier for you.

2. You can do it via abyssea burn, the preferred method for everyone nowadays.

3. You can do it via walk of echoes and campaign, strictly for lvl 75 and above to get good exp reward. Not main source for exp since you get other things with this style.

4. You can do it via Voidwatch, strictly for level 90s and above and a good way to get merits, each battle give you around 20k exp for 8 merits or so if you pop it 4 times per run.

That's at least the FOUR possible ways to gain xp with one being the most popular but that does not meant there is no other way. Don't be a sheep, start taking charge and go venture and figure out new options.

[mattkoko]

Aby EXP is one of the major things keeping this game alive right now (IMO of course). Sure grinding away at some of your favorite jobs was awesome and fun and I truly loved leveling everyone one of my jobs pre Abyssea. I had 7 jobs @ 75 and I was hooked on meriting, at Aby release I had over 700 merits and I was 100% capped xp/merits. Exping is what I did and I did it a lot..that is why I love Aby XP, i've played this game for so long that the last thing I want to do is take 6, 8, 10+ months to get a job to lvl cap. With Aby XP players now can level multiple jobs in the same or less time that it did @ 75. Unlocking even more things to do in game and allowing players to do more things low man because well everyone has needed jobs leveled. Sure there are Abygimps now but if you think that Aby ruined the game making more gimps you are wrong, very wrong..gimps have always been here and will always be here Aby has nothing to do with it.

although you are right about the gimps part to some degree, there are def a lot more then there were before. and as far as abyssea xp goes, you can pretty damn good xp out side of abyssea now. but people dont try xping out of abyssea anymore because they are too busy in jeuno shouting, "Abyssea leech, yes please." i said this in an earlier post on this thread but GoV gives great xp. if you can get even 3 friends with you, you can plow through pages getting 1,500-4000xp a page (depending on level of the page of course). but people would rather be lazy and shout for abyssea leech all day

[svengalis]

I think what tc and others suggesting that Abyssea be capped at 75 for entrance don't realize is that it would be near impossible to find a party 30-75. That was the case before Abyssea, don't know why you guys think that would change if Abyssea had a cap on it. I know alot people wouldn't even bother leveling alot of jobs but because they can leech in Abyssea they do.

[Saefinn]

I don't understand why people complaint so much... the game now is FULL of OPTIONS on how you want to get your xp and level up.

1. You can do the old fashion way and get boost via GoV and FoV, all the way to 99 via various old school camping ground and most of them are EMPTY - you can even grab a bunch of people who are doing WS trials as well in the process. Either 6 people old school hardcore or alliance style, OPTIONS are everywhere. Heck you can even have your alt leech this way too, more money for SE, makes the game easier for you.

2. You can do it via abyssea burn, the preferred method for everyone nowadays.

3. You can do it via walk of echoes and campaign, strictly for lvl 75 and above to get good exp reward. Not main source for exp since you get other things with this style.

4. You can do it via Voidwatch, strictly for level 90s and above and a good way to get merits, each battle give you around 20k exp for 8 merits or so.

That's at least the FOUR possible ways to gain xp with one being the most popular but that does not meant there is no other way. Don't be a sheep, start taking charge and go venture and figure out new options.

I quite like the idea of exploring new camps and do try and do it. BB aren't quite like old exp parties (I mean aside from the obvious exp boost), particularly with main camps - I 6 manned with a few Japanese people in Crawler's nest, but I think the main difference between old exp and BB is that BB is relying on exp from pages whereas old parties relied on exp from monsters. So in a BB it's more rewarding to get a quick kill from an EP mob rather than take on an IT mob. For higher levels like 90+ I'm sure the higher exp mobs are tougher to take down and require more teamwork.

If you've got any camp recommendations, I'd be interested in hearing them and wouldn't mind a change of scene. I've still got to get some jobs to 95, plus when I can get off my backside, I'll need to do LB10 and then get everything I play to 99.

However, I think all the old camps would need is for SE to give a larger exp boost and a boost to CP/AN/IS so it can be explored as another option (plus with the extra CP/AN/IS more can be spent on gear or be used to generate gil, useful for newbies/returning players taking this option). Giving a larger exp boost would hardly be over powered...given the other choices give superior exp. In theory it shouldn't be a big fix.

[mattkoko]

I think what tc and others suggesting that Abyssea be capped at 75 for entrance don't realize is that it would be near impossible to find a party 30-75. That was the case before Abyssea, don't know why you guys think that would change if Abyssea had a cap on it. I know alot people wouldn't even bother leveling alot of jobs but because they can leech in Abyssea they do.

but now you dont need the perfect set up. GoV buddy. i said it in like 5 different posts. you dont even need a party. people are so blinded and spoiled by abyssea that if abyssea were to be capped at 75+, people would be like "how am i suppose to level now?" there are tones of options other then abyssea. people refuse to do them though. they would rather be naked