Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Zinato]

While, I appreciate the analogy you miss the point. First, I'm glad you can get into Voidwatch and work on it daily. However, much of the server is alienated from this process. The more of the server able to participate the more runs can be created and the more opportunities to obtain this gear. Fact is unlike abyssea, voidwatch has been slow to take off due to the misconception that great gear is mandatory, which I'm sure most people would agree great gear is not a common thing. You could find 10+ runs of a single NM on a daily basis if the same held true for VW most people even those at 0/400 would have a body by now. But, as things stand perhaps 1-2 (if you are lucky) will take place each day. VW is not a common event and drop rates are not the only issue. Numerous runs need a pld or war that i wish to join, but my gear is not "elite" so i cant join. (That's one less person for the run in question imagine if everyone in my shoes could join any run, I'd wager there would be more) What I'm saying is the more people can access the material the more runs can be made. I'm hard pressed to believe anyone would claim "they don't need VW gear".

Second, unlike a car business (which doesn't manufacture cars but rather sells them) simply creating content is not such a simple task. To make a more appropriate analogy it would be like a department store, this department store is responsible for manufacture and sale of product. Now, people have complained about the mattresses in the bedding department. The store must then weigh the mattresses to the other products, perhaps they also have renovation (Legion, Neo-Nyzul) on the kitchen department. The game is not Voidwatch XI it is Final Fantasy XI and priorities are made as a whole not on "a single product". Also, to continue with the car analogy Yes, it is reasonable to expect a person to wait for the cars to be fixed, because to fix cars built with marshmallow tires would require a new production cycle plus whatever safety tests, blueprints, and planning that may be required to make new cars. (in our case Programming, Testing on test servers and scheduled implementation) If Voidwatch is all that's left for a particular player in this game, then they should have no issue doing many runs a day to acquire the last piece of gear before they are 100% done with the game. Nobody is paying each month for Voidwatch you pay for FFXI, if someone truly does nothing but voidwatch all day then they will get body soon enough.

We can't even know if the discussions for drop changes are taking place right now, but, with such a hostile environment anything the MODs say has to be carefully thought out. Therefore, they could very well have a plan in place but, simple not yet announced it.

[FrankReynolds]

We can't even know if the discussions for drop changes are taking place right now, but, with such a hostile environment anything the MODs say has to be carefully thought out. Therefore, they could very well have a plan in place but, simple not yet announced it.

Well, in my case, I have no interest in beating my head against the wall that is void watch at the moment. Making the monsters easier, and making more jobs get invites isn't going to change the fact that the drop distribution sucks. Great, I can go to VW on pup instead of war and still not get loot now. YAY!

Not to mention that the longer they wait, the higher the chances become that people who are doing the event right now, are wasting their time.

Do you want to spend a year trying to get a body from VW, only to have a better one come from legion a month later?

Let's say you just got that body after 3 month's of insane grinding, and watching other people get it on their first try. How does the fact that they just made the drop rate way higher make you feel? Like crap I bet.

If they address stuff like that right away, people don't get alienated. It's all about response time. If they had fixed the drops right away, very few people would have experienced the problem in the first place. The longer they let it go, the more people there are that feel screwed because they had to deal with it. Even if there is a job balance problem, or a NM that spams death, that is not what is bleeding their customers. How many times do you think you can kill the same damn NM without seeing a drop before the novelty of being able to go pup/bst wears off?

[dragoon_apprentice]

Fact is unlike abyssea, voidwatch has been slow to take off due to the misconception that great gear is mandatory, which I'm sure most people would agree great gear is not a common thing. Numerous runs need a pld or war that i wish to join, but my gear is not "elite" so i cant join. (That's one less person for the run in question imagine if everyone in my shoes could join any run, I'd wager there would be more)
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"Great" gear is very common now, and easy to get. maybe if u worked on 1 job instead of 12, and actaully stayed with a group of people for 5 seconds instead of bailing when it became somewhat of a grind to get your empy or ochain, on a job or 2 that u picked. If u actually worked on something difficult besides something nubsauce for the years this game has been out ( or months to weeks even is only what is required for a good weapon in abyessea if u have 1 or 2 friends), maybe u wouldnt be so inclided to whine about how people dont invite people without "elite" gear. Try leveling up bluemage, and getting all the magic. You will get invited regardless of empy or gear to any VW. Let me guess.... you are to lazy to learn all the blue magic, or are too lazy to get a good pld, or a good dd job w/ upgraded atmacite, or an empy, or a relic, or whm, or anything. Is it a wonder people dont invite your pink jacketed thf or your full perle war????

got issues with having friends or going to LS events? if u like this game so much, make a mule whm and/or bst, and farm yourself a duoable empy and gear. It is amazing to me that people who refuse to make a mule, are the same people who play this game for hours and hours, and still refuse to work with a LS, and dont have an empy or something to show for it, and whine at the rest of us for not inviting him. I spent more on my lunch yesterday than it would cost to have a mule for 2 months. I have no mule, yet i still have almace, and 66/75 scales on rhongomiont 90 and tons of gear. No ochain or aegis, so i dont try to go to VW events as pld...

they dont invite your pld, b/c without the new corsair roll (pdt-) they are bringing out, you would have died and ruined their run. derpa, they are brining out this roll b/c of people like u, so read patch notes? You got what u wanted.

[Zinato]

"Great" gear is very common now, and easy to get. maybe if u worked on 1 job instead of 12, and actaully stayed with a group of people for 5 seconds instead of bailing when it became somewhat of a grind to get your empy or ochain, on a job or 2 that u picked. If u actually worked on something difficult besides something nubsauce for the years this game has been out ( or months to weeks even is only what is required for a good weapon in abyessea if u have 1 or 2 friends), maybe u wouldnt be so inclided to whine about how people dont invite people without "elite" gear. Try leveling up bluemage, and getting all the magic. You will get invited regardless of empy or gear to any VW. Let me guess.... you are to lazy to learn all the blue magic, or are too lazy to get a good pld, or a good dd job w/ upgraded atmacite, or an empy, or a relic, or whm, or anything. Is it a wonder people dont invite your pink jacketed thf or your full perle war????

got issues with having friends or going to LS events? if u like this game so much, make a mule whm and/or bst, and farm yourself a duoable empy and gear. It is amazing to me that people who refuse to make a mule, are the same people who play this game for hours and hours, and still refuse to work with a LS, and dont have an empy or something to show for it, and whine at the rest of us for not inviting him.

they dont invite your pld, b/c without the new corsair roll (pdt-) they are bringing out, you would have died and ruined their run. derpa, they are brining out this roll b/c of people like u, so read patch notes? You got what u wanted.

Wow, that is quite an assumption. First off, at no point did I say I had issues getting into VW. What I said was my lesser geared jobs or those without empyrean/relic are not viable options for entry when they could be. I see no reason to go into what jobs I have or the gear on them, what I will say is the game is not built only for Hardcore. Everyone regardless of playtime, experience, gear, how many or few jobs they have should be able to enjoy all content, not just those in the right place at the right time.

[dragoon_apprentice]

Wow, that is quite an assumption. First off, at no point did I say I had issues getting into VW. What I said was my lesser geared jobs or those without empyrean/relic are not viable options for entry when they could be. I see no reason to go into what jobs I have or the gear on them, what I will say is the game is not built only for Hardcore. Everyone regardless of playtime, experience, gear, how many or few jobs they have should be able to enjoy all content, not just those in the right place at the right time.

ffxi is not still around b/c it is like WoW and u can get full gear in 2 months. People liek the challenge, and the direction this game is taking is that people need to work on a few jobsthey pick ,and assume their role. If you want to have every job, that is useful for filling in spots at events... sure. People who walk right into a run on a lesser geared job and expect to be as good and able to tank or DD as well as someone who a has been playing a job to get it to the maximum of its potential sort of defeats the purpose. Wait 2 more minutes on the shout, and u get an ochain pld, instead of risking ruining the whole run w/ a shmo pld

if u are not "hardcore" (meaning that u cant farm an ochain for some reason if u want to be pld so bad), you should not be tanking a whole VW run. 17 peopel depend on you, id rather have someone who knows their stuff and takes it seriously. if someoen is not "hardcore", go whm to VW or soemthing. sheesh

[Zinato]

ffxi is not still around b/c it is like WoW and u can get full gear in 2 months. People liek the challenge, and the direction this game is taking is that people need to work on a few jobsthey pick ,and assume their role. If you want to have every job, that is useful for filling in spots at events... sure. People who walk right into a run on a lesser geared job and expect to be as good and able to tank or DD as well as someone who a has been playing a job to get it to the maximum of its potential sort of defeats the purpose. Wait 2 more minutes on the shout, and u get an ochain pld, instead of risking ruining the whole run w/ a shmo pld

if u are not "hardcore" (meaning that u cant farm an ochain for some reason if u want to be pld so bad), you should not be tanking a whole VW run. 17 peopel depend on you, id rather have someone who knows their stuff and takes it seriously. if someoen is not "hardcore", go whm to VW or soemthing. sheesh

That is the exactly what the DEV team is trying to avoid. Ochain =/= Good PLD same holds for Aegis and for that matter Empyrean and DD. There are perfectly capable players with max magian weapons instead of empyrean, some even superior in flexibility within their job. For example a WAR who can tank (PDT, MDT, DT gear) and DD, even if the numbers don't match that perle WAR with Ukon. Empyrean/Relic =/= Good player, and players shouting should not expect or assume that. Conversely, lack of Empyrean/Relic =/= doesn't mean a player is not still well geared. Here is a hypothetical to consider, 5/5 +2 Ravager WAR with Ukko or a WAR with the same 5/5 +2 ravager but also -40% DT with upheaval and Magian PDT GA 99, in a situation where tanking may become needed and fanatics is unavailable? (If you include fanatics, may as well let the BLM tank)

[dragoon_apprentice]

That is the exactly what the DEV team is trying to avoid. Ochain =/= Good PLD same holds for Aegis and for that matter Empyrean and DD. There are perfectly capable players with max magian weapons instead of empyrean, some even superior in flexibility within their job. For example a WAR who can tank (PDT, MDT, DT gear) and DD, even if the numbers don't match that perle WAR with Ukon. Empyrean/Relic =/= Good player, and players shouting should not expect or assume that. Conversely, lack of Empyrean/Relic =/= doesn't mean a player is not still well geared. Here is a hypothetical to consider, 5/5 +2 Ravager WAR with Ukko or a WAR with the same 5/5 +2 ravager but also -40% DT with upheaval and Magian PDT GA 99, in a situation where tanking may become needed and fanatics is unavailable? (If you include fanatics, may as well let the BLM tank)

lawl
hypotheticals
opinions
internet chat over
facts are fun for everyone

[Brolic]

That is the exactly what the DEV team is trying to avoid. Ochain =/= Good PLD same holds for Aegis and for that matter Empyrean and DD. There are perfectly capable players with max magian weapons instead of empyrean, some even superior in flexibility within their job. For example a WAR who can tank (PDT, MDT, DT gear) and DD, even if the numbers don't match that perle WAR with Ukon. Empyrean/Relic =/= Good player, and players shouting should not expect or assume that. Conversely, lack of Empyrean/Relic =/= doesn't mean a player is not still well geared. Here is a hypothetical to consider, 5/5 +2 Ravager WAR with Ukko or a WAR with the same 5/5 +2 ravager but also -40% DT with upheaval and Magian PDT GA 99, in a situation where tanking may become needed and fanatics is unavailable? (If you include fanatics, may as well let the BLM tank)

what the hell is this shit