Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Well, uh, yea, If I get 2 r/e bodies, or a r/e body for a job I can't use, I think I'd want to share it with someone who could too. I can't exactly hold two R/E drops now can I?

What the hell are you on? Ask anyone spamming a specific VWNM on your server why they're still fighting the same NM X times, and you'll get the same answer. It's not just the people posting here.

[Zinato]

For all of the people "who dislike the system", there are still plenty of runs daily though generally they are on a variety of different NMs. Plenty of people I know have made millions as a by-product of the bodies they seek. Many even used the money to buy HQ versions of that same gear. If they seek the higher grade version they will continue that NM, if not they move on to a piece they value more. People are complaining they don't have the BEST and will not be satisfied with HQ/NQ versions, that is what you pay for by doing a particular VWNM X times. Until the Voidwatch is released in its entirety, judging it and the DEVs beyond accessibility and glitches is no different then reading a book half way and stopping, then proceeding to proclaim its the worst book ever.

I want thank Neisan and Frank as it is thanks to those posts I have said everything I wish to on the subject. Anything I could say after this is just going to be repeating myself. I said what I wanted on the subject, beyond that only the individual can choose to heed my words.

[dragoon_apprentice]

Fact is unlike abyssea, voidwatch has been slow to take off due to the misconception that great gear is mandatory, which I'm sure most people would agree great gear is not a common thing. Numerous runs need a pld or war that i wish to join, but my gear is not "elite" so i cant join. (That's one less person for the run in question imagine if everyone in my shoes could join any run, I'd wager there would be more)
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"Great" gear is very common now, and easy to get. maybe if u worked on 1 job instead of 12, and actaully stayed with a group of people for 5 seconds instead of bailing when it became somewhat of a grind to get your empy or ochain, on a job or 2 that u picked. If u actually worked on something difficult besides something nubsauce for the years this game has been out ( or months to weeks even is only what is required for a good weapon in abyessea if u have 1 or 2 friends), maybe u wouldnt be so inclided to whine about how people dont invite people without "elite" gear. Try leveling up bluemage, and getting all the magic. You will get invited regardless of empy or gear to any VW. Let me guess.... you are to lazy to learn all the blue magic, or are too lazy to get a good pld, or a good dd job w/ upgraded atmacite, or an empy, or a relic, or whm, or anything. Is it a wonder people dont invite your pink jacketed thf or your full perle war????

got issues with having friends or going to LS events? if u like this game so much, make a mule whm and/or bst, and farm yourself a duoable empy and gear. It is amazing to me that people who refuse to make a mule, are the same people who play this game for hours and hours, and still refuse to work with a LS, and dont have an empy or something to show for it, and whine at the rest of us for not inviting him. I spent more on my lunch yesterday than it would cost to have a mule for 2 months. I have no mule, yet i still have almace, and 66/75 scales on rhongomiont 90 and tons of gear. No ochain or aegis, so i dont try to go to VW events as pld...

they dont invite your pld, b/c without the new corsair roll (pdt-) they are bringing out, you would have died and ruined their run. derpa, they are brining out this roll b/c of people like u, so read patch notes? You got what u wanted.

[FrankReynolds]

We still have a minimum of 2 more Voidwatch installments. We don't know what KI, Atmacite, temps, drop rates or even if toci, heka, mekira, etc. will be among them. Would be like calling Abyssea a failure before Scars and Heroes. (I mean gear was mediocre, atma were decent but not great and you could only have one. But what came from Scars/Heroes? the gear many use now including Empyrean weapons and weaponskills.)

If drop rates suddenly increase the crafters for NQ and HQ versions get "screwed" since everyone gets the R/X one.....

What I see is impatient people, .....

.....your words represent only yourself.

You touch on a lot of interesting points. The first installment of abyssea did sort of suck. Fortunately, there was exp to get there, gil to make, mini quests, and a large amount of new gear. By comparison, VW drop rates suck. Whats more, is that we won't be seeing a level cap increase to 125, so the odds that I will be able to go back and solo the drops I need from the NMs that people are done with are nil. Which means that there is a 99% chance that they are either coming out with far better gear, or they are planning on changing the whole thing.

In the case of relic holders, they can feel pissed that they had to continue to work on them to keep them relevant. I don't feel like keeping your relic relevant should be nearly as hard as building it ws in the first place, but thats another topic. when most people built them, it was a safe bet that they were going to be the best weapon around for a very long time (and they were for the most part). In the case of VW, there are actually pretty good odds that you could start now trying to get a toci's harness, and have something better come out before you ever get it. We know that they have new nyzul, legion, etc. Do you think all those events will just drop magic spells, and metal plates?

As for the crafters.... really? the crafters? SE could have made the NM's drop abjurations or something, ask them why they didn't.


Oh, and saying things like "your words represent only yourself" works both ways. In this case, most people probably disagree with you. I doubt its because they are lazy or impatient. There are far more gratifying games to play for that sort of person.

[Zinato]

"Great" gear is very common now, and easy to get. maybe if u worked on 1 job instead of 12, and actaully stayed with a group of people for 5 seconds instead of bailing when it became somewhat of a grind to get your empy or ochain, on a job or 2 that u picked. If u actually worked on something difficult besides something nubsauce for the years this game has been out ( or months to weeks even is only what is required for a good weapon in abyessea if u have 1 or 2 friends), maybe u wouldnt be so inclided to whine about how people dont invite people without "elite" gear. Try leveling up bluemage, and getting all the magic. You will get invited regardless of empy or gear to any VW. Let me guess.... you are to lazy to learn all the blue magic, or are too lazy to get a good pld, or a good dd job w/ upgraded atmacite, or an empy, or a relic, or whm, or anything. Is it a wonder people dont invite your pink jacketed thf or your full perle war????

got issues with having friends or going to LS events? if u like this game so much, make a mule whm and/or bst, and farm yourself a duoable empy and gear. It is amazing to me that people who refuse to make a mule, are the same people who play this game for hours and hours, and still refuse to work with a LS, and dont have an empy or something to show for it, and whine at the rest of us for not inviting him.

they dont invite your pld, b/c without the new corsair roll (pdt-) they are bringing out, you would have died and ruined their run. derpa, they are brining out this roll b/c of people like u, so read patch notes? You got what u wanted.

Wow, that is quite an assumption. First off, at no point did I say I had issues getting into VW. What I said was my lesser geared jobs or those without empyrean/relic are not viable options for entry when they could be. I see no reason to go into what jobs I have or the gear on them, what I will say is the game is not built only for Hardcore. Everyone regardless of playtime, experience, gear, how many or few jobs they have should be able to enjoy all content, not just those in the right place at the right time.

[dragoon_apprentice]

Wow, that is quite an assumption. First off, at no point did I say I had issues getting into VW. What I said was my lesser geared jobs or those without empyrean/relic are not viable options for entry when they could be. I see no reason to go into what jobs I have or the gear on them, what I will say is the game is not built only for Hardcore. Everyone regardless of playtime, experience, gear, how many or few jobs they have should be able to enjoy all content, not just those in the right place at the right time.

ffxi is not still around b/c it is like WoW and u can get full gear in 2 months. People liek the challenge, and the direction this game is taking is that people need to work on a few jobsthey pick ,and assume their role. If you want to have every job, that is useful for filling in spots at events... sure. People who walk right into a run on a lesser geared job and expect to be as good and able to tank or DD as well as someone who a has been playing a job to get it to the maximum of its potential sort of defeats the purpose. Wait 2 more minutes on the shout, and u get an ochain pld, instead of risking ruining the whole run w/ a shmo pld

if u are not "hardcore" (meaning that u cant farm an ochain for some reason if u want to be pld so bad), you should not be tanking a whole VW run. 17 peopel depend on you, id rather have someone who knows their stuff and takes it seriously. if someoen is not "hardcore", go whm to VW or soemthing. sheesh

[Zinato]

You touch on a lot of interesting points. The first installment of abyssea did sort of suck. Fortunately, there was exp to get there, gil to make, mini quests, and a large amount of new gear. By comparison, VW drop rates suck. Whats more, is that we won't be seeing a level cap increase to 125, so the odds that I will be able to go back and solo the drops I need from the NMs that people are done with are nil. Which means that there is a 99% chance that they are either coming out with far better gear, or they are planning on changing the whole thing.

In the case of relic holders, they can feel pissed that they had to continue to work on them to keep them relevant. I don't feel like keeping your relic relevant should be nearly as hard as building it ws in the first place, but thats another topic. when most people built them, it was a safe bet that they were going to be the best weapon around for a very long time (and they were for the most part). In the case of VW, there are actually pretty good odds that you could start now trying to get a toci's harness, and have something better come out before you ever get it. We know that they have new nyzul, legion, etc. Do you think all those events will just drop magic spells, and metal plates?

As for the crafters.... really? the crafters? SE could have made the NM's drop abjurations or something, ask them why they didn't.


Oh, and saying things like "your words represent only yourself" works both ways. In this case, most people probably disagree with you. I doubt its because they are lazy or impatient. There are far more gratifying games to play for that sort of person.

I appreciate the fact that you took time to at least consider what I said, regardless of if you agree. First the most important thing I want to say is I am well aware I speak only for myself in my posts. What I seek from the last few posts I made to this thread is to inform, and at best persuade. Any argument is two sides attempting to provide evidence to convince either the opposing view point or a third party to agree with their own side. As I stated in my last post, I have said all I can at this time, anything more is repeating. All I can do now is let the viewer whomever that may be make a decision for themselves.

As for what I said in regards to a half complete system, we have absolutely no idea what is going to come, theories spread from x5 atmacite at lvl 25 each, to new brews from VW npcs. Its very hard to assume anything for this system and as stated in the "Tanaka returns" thread, making assumptions on what the DEVs are planning is unwise and it only leads to unneeded tension between DEV and player. Before we seek alterations to an event outside glitching and availability errors the least the players can do is wait for completed content. Much like Abyssea.

In terms of outdating/relevancy, the team stated they wish to continue to allow side grades much like in the days of 75, I believe this is what will come from new areas. Pieces of comparable stats with minor alteration allowing for players to pick and choose which events they like best for the gear they want. Now that we are 99, the only place for gear to go is to the side, without outright out dating current events. (In other words if Nyzul/Legion drops all gear that is better then Voidwatch whats the point of keeping Voidwatch updated)

As for crafters, while it may not seem to be so relevant also consider many of the players of the 75 days have left, and RMT is all but erased. Many of the staples of the game require crafting (food, ammo, meds) without continued modivation to level crafts for new players or for old players to maintain them many of these items will begin to disappear from the auction house. Also, those crafts not specializing in consumables need some items of value as well, the fact they gave new synths to crafters would be overshadowed if they were all suddenly undesirable. Granted, I will acknowledge the crafting argument is weak but, how would you feel if your big cash cow became, nothing more then a burger on the dollar menu?

Again, I do appreciate that you took the time to at least consider what I've said. Thank You.

[Zinato]

ffxi is not still around b/c it is like WoW and u can get full gear in 2 months. People liek the challenge, and the direction this game is taking is that people need to work on a few jobsthey pick ,and assume their role. If you want to have every job, that is useful for filling in spots at events... sure. People who walk right into a run on a lesser geared job and expect to be as good and able to tank or DD as well as someone who a has been playing a job to get it to the maximum of its potential sort of defeats the purpose. Wait 2 more minutes on the shout, and u get an ochain pld, instead of risking ruining the whole run w/ a shmo pld

if u are not "hardcore" (meaning that u cant farm an ochain for some reason if u want to be pld so bad), you should not be tanking a whole VW run. 17 peopel depend on you, id rather have someone who knows their stuff and takes it seriously. if someoen is not "hardcore", go whm to VW or soemthing. sheesh

That is the exactly what the DEV team is trying to avoid. Ochain =/= Good PLD same holds for Aegis and for that matter Empyrean and DD. There are perfectly capable players with max magian weapons instead of empyrean, some even superior in flexibility within their job. For example a WAR who can tank (PDT, MDT, DT gear) and DD, even if the numbers don't match that perle WAR with Ukon. Empyrean/Relic =/= Good player, and players shouting should not expect or assume that. Conversely, lack of Empyrean/Relic =/= doesn't mean a player is not still well geared. Here is a hypothetical to consider, 5/5 +2 Ravager WAR with Ukko or a WAR with the same 5/5 +2 ravager but also -40% DT with upheaval and Magian PDT GA 99, in a situation where tanking may become needed and fanatics is unavailable? (If you include fanatics, may as well let the BLM tank)

[dragoon_apprentice]

That is the exactly what the DEV team is trying to avoid. Ochain =/= Good PLD same holds for Aegis and for that matter Empyrean and DD. There are perfectly capable players with max magian weapons instead of empyrean, some even superior in flexibility within their job. For example a WAR who can tank (PDT, MDT, DT gear) and DD, even if the numbers don't match that perle WAR with Ukon. Empyrean/Relic =/= Good player, and players shouting should not expect or assume that. Conversely, lack of Empyrean/Relic =/= doesn't mean a player is not still well geared. Here is a hypothetical to consider, 5/5 +2 Ravager WAR with Ukko or a WAR with the same 5/5 +2 ravager but also -40% DT with upheaval and Magian PDT GA 99, in a situation where tanking may become needed and fanatics is unavailable? (If you include fanatics, may as well let the BLM tank)

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[Neisan_Quetz]

What the fuck am I reading? A player wearing bad gear sucks, period. A player with good gear that doesn't know how to use it sucks, period. Their is no difference between them, neither knows wtf they're doing.

There are bad players with Ukon/Brovura, but there are no good players fulltiming perle or full Emp+2.