Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Washburn]

Why in the world some people continue to ask for a better reward for an impossible trial is lost on me.

Read this over and over until it clicks.

[Insaniac]

Read this over and over until it clicks.

Way to quote 1 sentence without context. The key word is "impossible". My question is: Why would you want something you can't get to be amazing? Forget the effort vs. reward arguments. Just isolate that question and try to answer it.

If someone sealed 1 cupcake under 30 feet of solid concrete and put another cupcake in a locker then put the key on a shelf that you needed a stool to reach would you insist that the cupcake under 30 feet of concrete be twice as delicious as the one in the locker?

[Atomic_Skull]

People didn't do relics for performance, they did them as a capstone on their character. SE has now taken that away and said that we will never complete our weapons.

I don't mind a hard quest to complete it, even something as hard as the original lvl 75 final stage (which I would be glad to do for the stats they listed for the 99 relics). But telling us "99.9999999% of you will never complete your weapons but here's a consolation prize" is more likely to make people quit than just asking for another 150 million gil in items would have been.

[dragoon_apprentice]

they want you to play ff14. guess what? it is still very boring.

[Insaniac]

People didn't do relics for performance, they did them as a capstone on their character. SE has now taken that away and said that we will never complete our weapons.

I don't mind a hard quest to complete it, even something as hard as the original lvl 75 final stage (which I would be glad to do for the stats they listed for the 99 relics). But telling us "99.9999999% of you will never complete your weapons but here's a consolation prize" is more likely to make people quit than just asking for another 150 million gil in items would have been.

Don't be ridiculous. Relics would not have been a capstone if they weren't the best weapons so they were still done for performance. If they weren't done for performance then Aegis Mandau Apoc Gjallarhorn and Amano wouldn't have been the most popular weapons by a huge margin. And, while technically correct, saying you aren't complete without doing the glow stage and acting like it's some huge slap in the face is really really over dramatic.

[Atomic_Skull]

Aegis Mandau

The fact that Aegis and Mandau actually got made in large numbers shows it was more for status than performance otherwise people would never have made relics for two of the lowest tier jobs in the game.

[saevel]

The fact that Aegis and Mandau actually got made in large numbers shows it was more for status than performance otherwise people would never have made relics for two of the lowest tier jobs in the game.

Did you forget to take your meds? I can understand if that post was made in a non-optimal mental condition.

If on the other hand you were actually being serious ... wow ... wtf over.

Aegis was ~THE~ best shield for PLD in the game period. It allowed a PLD to do things that no non-Aegis PLD could do and has since become the defining tanking tool of PLD. Until the creation of brOchain an Aegis PLD was the highest tier tank on super hard HNMs. Of course now there really isn't many things that require a PLD to tank. Technically all the end tier VWNM's would "require" an Aegis / OChain PLD to tank them had fanatics and proc spam not existed. Of course SE might be fixing that shortly, never can be sure with them.

Mandau is the highest DPS weapon in the game for those who can equip it, namely THF and RDM. Due to the nature of how fSTR dramatically favors lower delay weapons even off handed Mandau was a beastly weapon. Of course it has since fallen to the wayside as THF's tend to use twashtar's and RDM's got CDC. Prior to the introduction of Abyssea Evis spam with a Mandau was bad a$$, could go a stay further and do THF/WAR SATA Mercy Stroke for ridiculous one shot damage (same HNM fights you'd use that Aegis PLD on).

[Alerith]

Aegis was ~THE~ best shield for PLD in the game period. It allowed a PLD to do things that no non-Aegis PLD could do and has since become the defining tanking tool of PLD. Until the creation of brOchain an Aegis PLD was the highest tier tank on super hard HNMs. Of course now there really isn't many things that require a PLD to tank. Technically all the end tier VWNM's would "require" an Aegis / OChain PLD to tank them had fanatics and proc spam not existed. Of course SE might be fixing that shortly, never can be sure with them.

I would like to comment that even though Ochain was introduced, Aegis isn't less good. Now we just have a physical shield for mobs that don't cast or keep magic to a manageable level. Aegis is still the best shield for what it's made for.

[Insaniac]

The fact that Aegis and Mandau actually got made in large numbers shows it was more for status than performance otherwise people would never have made relics for two of the lowest tier jobs in the game.

How do you say the things you say with such conviction? How can you reply with something so incredibly stupid without an inkling of self doubt? I'm sorry for not being constructive but what can I even say to a post like that?

[Alerith]

People didn't do relics for performance, they did them as a capstone on their character.

Wait...what?

I don't know what you're talking about, but I finished my final weapon for the sake of performance. I mean, being a PLD, I kinda had to in order to progress in my performance.

Sure, it's an achievement and all, but I don't see people making the less useful R/M/E just for the sake of saying they have it.