Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Ilax]

Bullshit. Other MMOs have understood that token (point) systems have valid application and that you don't make everything random if you want to succeed in keeping the valuable 'average' player. You need some instant gratification of people will lose interest and without fallback content? Yeah..

In reference to WoW, yes of course, they have the money to spam billion of content, they have the player base that match the investment too.

Sure, you can have some random rare drops to spice up the pool but everything?

Stop trolling, out of all content that is currently active on FFXI, ONLY VW is rare/drop and more time sink.

P.S: For the update 0/74 on pil, hey i got 1 metal plate after 16x! Bet you by the end of the night i have body, if no, meh i will get tom or next day.

[FrankReynolds]

In reference to WoW, yes of course, they have the money to spam billion of content, they have the player base that match the investment too.

SE has billions too. FFXI is a drop in the bucket. They piss away more each year on the free promotional posters you see in the video game stores than it would cost to build an expansion. Don't kid yourself. FFXI started out strong like wow. they chose a business model and game design that drives away customers (IE. Voidwatch drop system).

Stop trolling, out of all content that is currently active on FFXI, ONLY VW is rare/drop and more time sink.

P.S: For the update 0/74 on pil, hey i got 1 metal plate after 16x! Bet you by the end of the night i have body, if no, meh i will get tom or next day.

lol @ the person who claims to like going 0/74 on a drop calling another person a troll. You are amazing. Truly epic.

[Ilax]

lol @ the person who claims to like going 0/74 on a drop calling another person a troll. You are amazing. Truly epic.

0/74 is nothing, 4 day is what it took me... i expect 2 week in worse scenario to get the body.

Is nothing compare HNM where you had to BOT 1yr long and risk your account to be BAN.

Is nothing compare SKY, SEA, Jar, ZNM, Dynamis, VNM where most of the item was 1yr wait....(Unless you cheated everyone, or started your own LS, get what you need and ditch who helped you)

Of course if you compare VW with abyssea then you can say: OMG DROP IS TOO LOW. But in fact Abyssea was never the "END-GAME" content, it was the transition from lv75-99.

Abyssea did open the door for new player to join, without have to invest 7yr in the game as we did to get good armor, we all 99 now, even player that joined 2 month ago is able to catch player that been playing this game for 7yr long. I think is time to resume FFXI now.

VW is the new End-Game that DEV released, and you think you should be able to get all armor after 1 week?

What is "Truly epic", is how you think DEV should spend 3 month to create new content that you can finish in 1 week.
What is "Truly epic", is how you can easy do dynamis now and get a RELIC to archive something instead bash on VW.
What is "Truly epic", is how it wont make any difference if you get the new Body and still have Ash club as main weapon.

What i am saying is there still tons of "Casual-Content" available in FFXI (hell everything is now..) that can keep you busy and happy, but instead you prefer to attack VW, and the whole reason is probably just because you want the "reward" without the work.

And don't get me wrong with my signature, i hate Tanaka for different reason... You cannot ask people to work hard on something and then reduce difficulty and make fun of them, this was BULLSHIT he said something like that in interview. I don't hate him because i had to do ~7,500 final blow for mandau, but because it took me forever to get it done, then he change it to ~1000 only.

I don't hate him because he put 1,500 plate i need for Empy lv95, but because i know he will reduce that to 150 when everyone ruined they life into it. Same go for 500 PW and 1000 ADL that going to take 3yr.

This is what i call a real "Hamster wheel", where you can just sit on your ass instead and wait they reduce difficulty, so what is even the point to do it, oh yeah for the fun of working 3yr long to get something 1 week earlier then everyone else? Ok right.. i pass...

If is what waiting VW, Nerf nerf nerf more nerf!, 100% drop all body go go!, then ya, this game don't even worth to be play, nor 14, nor any MMORPG SE ever do. Ill make sure to wait 6yr to play FFXIV so i can achieve everything in 1 week and play another game, at least i can save the 6yr of my life into a better MMORPG on market.

I love play MMORPG for a reason, if i was so worry for the time sink, i would just go play COD, PacMAN, unreal tournament, and so on. If SE don't understand that part, i am sure more then just me will end to stop playing they game.

[FrankReynolds]

0/74 is nothing, 4 day is what it took me... i expect 2 week in worse scenario to get the body.

OK, so how is killing an NM 225 times and not knowing if you will get the drop at the end better than a point system that says "kill X NM 225 times and you will get the drop" ?

Is nothing compare HNM where you had to BOT 1yr long and risk your account to be BAN.

Yes, that system sucked. Terrible comparison.

Is nothing compare SKY, SEA, Jar, ZNM, Dynamis, VNM where most of the item was 1yr wait....(Unless you cheated everyone, or started your own LS, get what you need and ditch who helped you)

Most of those events were actually a lot of fun (I personally hated ZNM due to the stupid picture crap, and dynamis city runs should have been 2 hour limit with higher drops). Waiting for the drop was the shitty part. It's still shitty not knowing if your effort is being wasted now. A form of currency for attaining gear like limbus coins would allow some luck factor without the complete BS chance of having 1 guy go 1/1 while it takes another guy 1,000 tries. I still don't know why you like the idea of going 0/74, while that pink dancer over there gets the drop first time though.

Of course if you compare VW with abyssea then you can say: OMG DROP IS TOO LOW. But in fact Abyssea was never the "END-GAME" content, it was the transition from lv75-99.

Abyssea did open the door for new player to join, without have to invest 7yr in the game as we did to get good armor, we all 99 now, even player that joined 2 month ago is able to catch player that been playing this game for 7yr long. I think is time to resume FFXI now.

The only reason abyssea got blown through so fast was because the requirements were too low. If it took 200 seals, and 200 Jewels/stones/cards/coins to upgrade each piece of af3 +2, you would still be in there now, calling it endgame.

VW is the new End-Game that DEV released, and you think you should be able to get all armor after 1 week?

No, I think if I do it for a week, I should know that I am 1 week closer to reaching my goal, and that the guy next to me isn't going to get the drop first pop, and then drop 2 more because he already has it, while I get nothing.

What is "Truly epic", is how you think DEV should spend 3 month to create new content that you can finish in 1 week.
What is "Truly epic", is how you can easy do dynamis now and get a RELIC to archive something instead bash on VW.
What is "Truly epic", is how it wont make any difference if you get the new Body and still have Ash club as main weapon.

Dynamis drops toki's now? I can build a relic in VW? No? OK, I guess I'll have to do both then.

What i am saying is there still tons of "Casual-Content" available in FFXI (hell everything is now..) that can keep you busy and happy, but instead you prefer to attack VW, and the whole reason is probably just because you want the "reward" without the work.

Actually, I want the reward for the work. You just keep hoping your gonna go 1/1 on something epic. I bet casinos love you.

And don't get me wrong with my signature, i hate Tanaka for different reason... You cannot ask people to work hard on something and then reduce difficulty and make fun of them, this was BULLSHIT he said something like that in interview. I don't hate him because i had to do ~7,500 final blow for mandau, but because it took me forever to get it done, then he change it to ~1000 only.

I don't hate him because he put 1,500 plate i need for Empy lv95, but because i know he will reduce that to 150 when everyone ruined they life into it. Same go for 500 PW and 1000 ADL that going to take 3yr.

What if he didn't tell you how many Metal plates it took, and then some people only had to trade 1, but you ended up needing 2,000. That would be great huh? Lottery for every thing. Some people could just talk to the moogle, and it drops mandau. others need 150 million gil in currency. Fun right.

If is what waiting VW, Nerf nerf nerf more nerf!, 100% drop all body go go!, then ya, this game don't even worth to be play, nor 14, nor any MMORPG SE ever do. Ill make sure to wait 6yr to play FFXIV so i can achieve everything in 1 week and play another game, at least i can save the 6yr of my life into a better MMORPG on market.

Nah, they will make everything in FFXIV lottery with chests too. Your friend will finish everything in 2 weeks of casual play. It will still take you 6 years to get the drops, but you will be ok with that because that is what you like.