Seriously, VW loot system..come on.

[Ilax]

Time stamp in FFXI???

Working as intended!

Dude i know people that got Kclub 2/5, and i am 0/167, how this make a damn difference? Fact is you have 1% chance to get body, you can feel free to tell everyone in your PT "Hey look i am super lucky guy, suck on it! ima drop it to get new fresh one ahahaha!".

I don't mind in the slightest doing 100 kills for a body drop

Same here, and is what i focus on, not focusing if john smite that won 30x the same body and brag about it.

I know a lot of people say "Remember the old days!" and I do remember the old days. Salvage was one of my favourite events, and the drop rates on bodies is similar to salvage 35's , and to make matters worse you could only do salvage once a day.... but when we got a drop, it went to the person who needed it

-Assuming you did the 154 run with everyone.
-Assuming your leader never cheated you.
-Assuming you were online when they did salvage and body droped.
-(and i probably miss some factor)

Then yes, all that look nice on paper, but you know as me is not the case for everyone, i saw too many time that people got DENY to lot on salvage piece because:

-They was new player.
-They missed run / not enough LS point
-Leader made favor to a friend and bypassed you.
-Leader decided to sell your body for 25 million to a gil buyer to fund his relic.

In VW, well, all this can't happen, the great bonus is you have a chance to get it 1/1 and move on quick, but you also can be unlucky and have to do it 200 time like the old salvage, but no matter what, you in control of your drop and no one will remove you the reward.

I didnt ever end up with two Ares's Body's because a random number generator said so.

Feel lucky you had a great leader or joined LS when they formed and not be at the bottom list of LS priority.

Though the drop rates are similiar to old events, it just feels like a kick in the teeth to hear about every other player getting their tenth piece you want.

100% agree, but this is nothing new, after doing HNM 1year long, and saw my great leader take Neptunal Abjuration: Legs in front of me, when i have Mandau and Cursed -1 [that was 16m worth], i don't need to say it turned me off and called all his LS bullshit, wait did i forget to say what job that douchbag had? oh yes, well he had WHM, and BRD only.

FACT is he made the LS 1 year before i joined, so it was more logic to give N.leg to his BRD, fuck the mandau guy that saved his point on every drop for 1 year long. I rather do VW 25x per day for 8 day max to get what i want thanks.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Time stamp in FFXI???

For those who don't know, those are plugins for the windower he's using. Just thought I'd point out the fact that he's using a windower and posting images of it on the official forum. Brilliant.

[Arcon]

For those who don't know, those are plugins for the windower he's using. Just thought I'd point out the fact that he's using a windower and posting images of it on the official forum. Brilliant.

[Eldelphia]

Oh FFS. How sadistic can you be to your players? It's miserable spamming VW mobs over and over to try and get body pieces. The loot distribution system is appalling. Why do you not understand this. It's not fun. I'm about done with trying to get a Heka body from Akvan and I'm a career mage... Yet DD after DD and tank after tank are dropping them. They don't get their's either.

Seriously had enough of Voidwatch. Let alone having to redo dynamis AGAIN because the company won't actually develop anything new. When are we going to get new and unique content? Ir's the only thing have been holding on to and SWTOR right now is one hell of a lot more fun... Cancelling my subscription is beginning to seem like my only viable option.

[Camiie]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

[Ilax]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

[Raksha]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

People have been saying it in just about every post in this thread and others.

Change it to a point system.

[Camiie]

I can't disagree with that Cemiie, but what i wonder is how DEV could make it better, i have a real doubt about allowing people to distribute they treasure.

I can just imagine you get 2 Body of something then give it to a friend, and then that friend get something 2x and instead giving to you, he give to another guy that you don't really like. I think changing it can just lead to more drama.

Also have to think how people in port jeuno will start shouting: Toci's Harness do you need it? 16 million /tell. Then all you know, is not anymore about "How lucky you are" or "how many time you did it", but also "How much gil you paid for it". You just open a new wave of RMT / Gil buyer.

My compromise would be leaving the randomness in place to appease the devs, but adding a point/token system similar to Einherjar's on the side to throw a bone to the playerbase. Anything obtained from the points system would be R/EX so as to avoid creating a market as you've described. I guess someone could still make money from it somehow, but I think it'd be a bit harder. The points items would be good enough to be desirable, but not the absolute top of the line stuff.

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

Anyway, it may not even take wholesale changes to make this event work for more people. A few tweaks to box contents shouldn't be that difficult. That would certainly help. Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

[Ilax]

Also, make the boxes work like NMs do. If a player already has a Rare item, then that item doesn't appear in the pool. That spot in the pool could be filled in with anything else. Maybe it would increase the chance of them getting some weapon or armor they don't already have. Maybe they would just get another log... or perhaps they could add more desirable drops? Whatever the case, the box definitely needs to be smarter in what it's giving out. I guess you could say SE needs to start thinking outside the box!

100% agree on that. [That was the first mistake DEV did]

Now adding in a points system, which would more than likely include new/unique gear would take a lot more work, but that work would go a very long way in smoothing things over with the players and luring more people into the VW grind.

Yes that would be smart, the problem is DEV gave us CRUOR and EXP as side reward, that is second mistake DEV did imo. That right, they could give us special VW point instead, these point could be spend for Atmacite or "Special gear" as you say, but knowing SE, i doubt they ever change that now... They kinda missed the boat, this say, it make me wonder how people that have access to TEST server never mentioned that before final release of VW? Or wait maybe VW came out before the public test server hmm.

[FrankReynolds]

The old HNM drop system was a poop sandwich. The new VW system is a glass full of spit. One may be less disgusting than the other, but you'd have to be a very messed person up to want either one.

Does the VW loot distribution suck less than what we had in the past? Yeah. Does that make it good? No.

That was an excellent description of the 2 events. +1

I feel the same way. I don't grade game content on a sliding scale.