Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

[Zerich]

5% damage is a lot, lol. It takes a 5500 WS down to 5300.

you mean 5225...lrn2math

[Camate]

Hello.

Thanks for all the feedback on this topic.

Sorry it took a bit to give you this information, but as I am sure you all read, we were out for the holidays.

There have been some comments asking for other weapon skills to be adjusted so that they are stronger. We actually looked into this, but due to the very large differences in values we determined it would be difficult because of the way it would tie into the balance of power between jobs. (In the case that things stayed the way they are, the chances that future abilities and equipment would have lower stats or simply not be possible to add would become increasingly high.)

The principle behind the current weapon skill adjustment follows the same principles for the aims of why warrior has been adjusted (Restraint, etc.):

1. Prevent becoming overpowered
2. Establish balance between warrior and other jobs (make it easier to balance)

　
The below adjustments have been set up on the test server.
This is the chance of critical hit for TP100%/200%/300% respectively.

• Ukko’s Fury
  Before adjustment: 30%/50%/80%
  　↓
  Test server version: 15%/25%/40%
  
  
• Victory Smite
  Before adjustment: 15%/30%/60%
  　↓
  Test server version: 10%/20%/35%

Since there are other abilities and equipment to take into account, although I cannot affirm anything just yet, we would like to see if we can perhaps raise the critical hit rate a bit after looking at your feedback and development/QA testing.

We will be putting the re-adjusted data onto the test server during the first update of the New Year and would like to continue to test this.

[Helel]

we would like to see if we can perhaps lower the critical hit rate a bit after looking at your feedback and development/QA testing.

I need to drink more war tears please. So delicious.

[Atomic_Skull]

Ukko’s Fury
Before adjustment: 30%/50%/80%

Anyone who insists that this was not overpowered is either lying to themselves or just plain lying.

[Ophannus]

Oh no! So instead of doing 6k Ukko's Fury to Qilin they'll do 3k! Which is still 1k higher than NIN DRK DRG THF DNC RNG PUP COR MNK. WARs are lucky thats all the nerf they're getting. Even WITH the nerf, Ukko's is still BY FAR the strongest Empyrean WS, these updates are meant to bring it down on par with other emps that 15/25/40 crit% is the same as CDC/Hi and a few other crit WS, so in my eyes, it's fine.

[Alhanelem]

Hello.

Thanks for all the feedback on this topic.

Sorry it took a bit to give you this information, but as I am sure you all read, we were out for the holidays.

There have been some comments asking for other weapon skills to be adjusted so that they are stronger. We actually looked into this, but due to the very large differences in values we determined it would be difficult because of the way it would tie into the balance of power between jobs. (In the case that things stayed the way they are, the chances that future abilities and equipment would have lower stats or simply not be possible to add would become increasingly high.)

The principle behind the current weapon skill adjustment follows the same principles for the aims of why warrior has been adjusted (Restraint, etc.):

1. Prevent becoming overpowered
2. Establish balance between warrior and other jobs (make it easier to balance)

　
The below adjustments have been set up on the test server.
This is the chance of critical hit for TP100%/200%/300% respectively.

• Ukko’s Fury
  Before adjustment: 30%/50%/80%
  　↓
  Test server version: 15%/25%/40%
• Victory Smite
  Before adjustment: 15%/30%/60%
  　↓
  Test server version: 10%/20%/35%

Since there are other abilities and equipment to take into account, although I cannot affirm anything just yet, we would like to see if we can perhaps raise the critical hit rate a bit after looking at your feedback and development/QA testing.

We will be putting the re-adjusted data onto the test server during the first update of the New Year and would like to continue to test this.

I can understand the reasoning behind the changes, and to an extent I agree with the Ukko's change, but I don't really think that Victory Smite is in the same boat (I suppose that's why it wasn't reduced as heavily); I also don't feel that an ability that provides a strong buff that can only be active 10% of the time at best really needs to be nerfed either.

I do hope that it is shown that these nerfs are a bit on the heavy-handed side.

Oh no! So instead of doing 6k Ukko's Fury to Qilin they'll do 3k! Which is still 1k higher than NIN DRK DRG THF DNC RNG PUP COR MNK. WARs are lucky thats all the nerf they're getting

VIctory Smite is nowhere near the kind of broken power that Ukko's is, and I don't understand why it's being nerfed at all. I use it on PUP all the time (I can't speak for other people, but for me, it's outperforming Pummel, at least in Abyssea, and it skillchains better), so this can adfersely effect PUPs (not very much, but it certainly doesn't help them at all).

I agree that Ukko's needs a tone down, I don't agree that Victory Smite does also.

[Ragni]

Oh no! So instead of doing 6k Ukko's Fury to Qilin they'll do 3k! Which is still 1k higher than NIN DRK DRG THF DNC RNG PUP COR MNK. WARs are lucky thats all the nerf they're getting. Even WITH the nerf, Ukko's is still BY FAR the strongest Empyrean WS, these updates are meant to bring it down on par with other emps that 15/25/40 crit% is the same as CDC/Hi and a few other crit WS, so in my eyes, it's fine.

Since when NIN THF DRG DRK PUP COR are heavy DD. Yeah Ukko fury is overpowered but they should't cut crit rate by half - this is not fair. WAR got that power because he dont have defensive abilities - loldefender.

[Lokithor]

SE still don't get it. You just piss people off by achieving "balance" by nerfing. You make people happy by achieving balance by strengthening the weaker jobs. If this was my business, I would be trying to make my subscribers happy, not piss them off.

I'm not a war btw.

[Damane]

Since when NIN THF DRG DRK PUP COR are heavy DD. Yeah Ukko fury is overpowered but they should't cut crit rate by half - this is not fair. WAR got that power because he dont have defensive abilities - loldefender.

I am a war, do you know how much -pdt -mdt and -damage taken in general gear there is out for war? Alot! War is one of the jobs with the option to play defensiv and still pump out dmg due to retalation while tanking.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

SE still don't get it. You just piss people off by achieving "balance" by nerfing. You make people happy by achieving balance by strengthening the weaker jobs. If this was my business, I would be trying to make my subscribers happy, not piss them off.

I'm not a war btw.

Wrong! WAR is seriously over-powered, if they upped other jobs it'd do nothing but make them equally over-powered.

You balance it to non over-powered first, then equal the other jobs that do the same role (aka DD's) to that area.