[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Aldersyde]

Is there any new ws that is actually better than one already in the game?

WHY on earth would I put 10>15>20>25>30 merits into a ws just to have it be equal to a ws I've had since 2005-2006? That's the million-dollar question. Getting 1,000,000 xp (despite the ease in which it can be acquired) for a ws that is merely equal to what we already have is sheer lunacy. 1,000,000 xp for something that is merely pretty? I'm getting tired of this side-grade bullshit. Level 99 and merited weapon skills should have been epic, instead, it's just garbage.

/Sigh, and I was looking forward to an improvement over rampage.

[Economizer]

Yeah, speaking of garbled Google Translate, even mucking through it, I can say with near-total confidence that the JP forums thread on this is almost a perfect mirror, except without any paranoia about not being listened to because they speak English.

I mean, it is eerie how closely they mirror the topics we've been talking about, at least in the last several pages of chatter.

[darkhorror]

Supposedly on JP forums SE has stated they will be weakening Ruinator to be equal to rampage with 2-3 crits (same for Realmrazer compared to Hexa Strike), they want Rdms and Blus to use Requiescat but not Plds (so keeping the attack penalty), and they want Shijin to be weaker than Stringing Pummel.

Well, thanks a lot for that then.

Ugh.... Why does SE hate us so much?

Now my question is how are they making Ruinator weaker? Anyone good at translating?

[Neisan_Quetz]

All I could reasonably get that made any sense was they want it to be equal to Rampage with 2-3 crits, and it was meant less for Knight than Red demon taoist and Blue demon taoist.

[darkhorror]

So SE thinks it's a good idea to make a bunch of WS's with some of the best animations we have seen, that cost 100 merits, and are level 96+, but are weaker than ones we have been using since lvl 50+?

This makes zero sense.

[Greatguardian]

[size=8]DO NOT SCREW WITH SHIJIN SPIRAL. IT IS THE ONLY THING IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW THAT MAKES SPHARAI WORTH MAKING AND COMPETITIVE WITH VERETH. THIS MEANS IT'S THE ONLY BLOODY WS THAT'S WORKING PROPERLY.[/size]

[Kincard]

They're planning on making it deal something like half the damage it does now. Like Neisan said, they want to balance it so that will do similar damage to Rampage assuming all hits connect and 2-3 crits. The implication is that you would want to use Ruinator over Rampage in low-crit situations because it will supposedly have better consistency.

I'm also going to throw in the "why spend 100 merits on this stuff". I don't mind if SE wants there to be more variety in the weapon skills we use, but making one of those situational WSs cost 100 merit points, instead of making us level into it, is just really silly.

Also stop using Google translate please, the pseudo-Japanese it spits out is laughable to anybody who has even a rudimentary grasp of the language. ISHYGDDT

EDIT: As far as I can tell GG, they don't plan on touching Shijin Spiral. That entire post they did was more or less to explain why it's power level isn't over 9000 like a lot of players are asking for it to have.

[darkhorror]

They're planning on making it deal something like half the damage it does now. Like Neisan said, they want to balance it so that will do similar damage to Rampage assuming all hits connect and 2-3 crits. The implication is that you would want to use Ruinator over Rampage in low-crit situations because it will supposedly have better consistency.

I'm also going to throw in the "why spend 100 merits on this stuff". I don't mind if SE wants there to be more variety in the weapon skills we use, but making one of those situational WSs cost 100 merit points, instead of making us level into it, is just really silly.

Also stop using Google translate please, the pseudo-Japanese it spits out is laughable to anybody who has even a rudimentary grasp of the language. ISHYGDDT

EDIT: As far as I can tell GG, they don't plan on touching Shijin Spiral. That entire post they did was more or less to explain why it's power level isn't over 9000 like a lot of players are asking for it to have.

We all know that SE has problems implementing in a way that makes sense. But if they don't tell us how they are trying to accomplish it, we will just have to wait till next update and see what they did. fTP change, attack penalty, we will have to wait and see I guess.

[Finuve]

SE, ALL MERIT WSs SHOULD BE STRONGER THAN ALL NON EMPY WSs, Relic WSs should be boosted to be stronger than merit WSs, and Mythic WSs should be boosted when using Mythics to be stronger than Merit WSs (this last is already usually the case)

in essence Empy > Mythic(With mythic weapon only) = Relic > Merit > ALL ELSE
Make Relics and Mythics = Empy outside of the WSs

Is this THAT HARD?

shift key = fun as well

[Byrth]

I guess I should post a picture in case people are missing it:


This could all be "working as intended." 100 merits gets your foot in the door, and then they release the next patch.