[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Greatguardian]

What in the world could they possibly merit up aside from the WSC that would make the WS worth using though? Would they actually allow us to bump up fTP with merits? Even 0.1 per upgrade for 5 upgrades could be overpowered as balls on the WS which retain fTP through all hits.

Even if Group 2 is WS-related, I'm looking forward to Attack Penalty reductions for Req/Res, and Plague duration increases on Shijin, etc. None of which will really salvage the skills if they nerf them even more.

[Laxedrane]

SE, ALL MERIT WSs SHOULD BE STRONGER THAN ALL NON EMPY WSs, Relic WSs should be boosted to be stronger than merit WSs, and Mythic WSs should be boosted when using Mythics to be stronger than Merit WSs (this last is already usually the case)

in essence Empy > Mythic(With mythic weapon only) = Relic > Merit > ALL ELSE
Make Relics and Mythics = Empy outside of the WSs

Is this THAT HARD?

shift key = fun as well

I personally think the order should be Empyreon>Relic>Mythic since mythic are emphasis on stats on weapon while relic is emphasis on break and buff weaponskills with highest DoT.(Not counting aftermaths of course)

Of course I am of the school of thought that they should make mythics aftermath all 3 and just have higher tp increase the effect and duration. So don't mind me.

[Soidisant]

If there was a Group 2 then it would either have to be 1 individual tweak for each WS or merits that apply to all meritted WS'es across the board otherwise the scroll list would be silly.

[Byrth]

Crit rate, Accuracy, fTP, TP Bonus, and Attack could all be applied across the board.

Like:
fTP: +12/256 per merit level (~+0.05 fTP)
Attack/RAtk: +5% per merit level
Accuracy: +10 per merit level
Crit Rate: +1% per merit level
TP Bonus: +20 TP Bonus per merit level

etc. I'm sure there are more. Point is, the heading says "Group 1." Maybe "Group 2" is going to be another set of weaponskills that cost a lot of merits and no one cares to use, but I doubt it. Or maybe the "Group 1" is the result of sloppy copy-pasta from Tier 1/2 job merits.

[darkhorror]

So you're tell me there is a chance! haha

[Greatguardian]

TP bonus would be interesting. Would they really add crit rate to WS that already have non-crit effects? I don't think we've ever seen this done, but it would be interesting.

Granted, I completely forgot the potential of TP bonus, I'm just not getting my hopes up. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised later than disappointed when group 2 is Attack +2/merit. All I see right now is a whole slew of nerfs to what could have been awesome WS.

Also, people will shit bricks if they screw with Shijin Spiral. It is currently perfect. It's situationally useful, and only stronger than Vereth/Smite if you have a 99 Relic - and even then only by a couple %. This is right where it should be. Nerfing it makes absolutely no sense.

[Byrth]

All I'm saying is, most of these weaponskills are very obviously not useful and look like they've been intentionally made that way. The only "strong" part of most of these WSs is their modifier. I don't know exactly what they're planning for Group 2, or even if the Group 1 header is anything more than laziness, but I'd hesitate to totally write them off for all time.

At the moment, none of these weaponskills are so awesome that I'm going to go merit right after the update so I can use them. XP comes to me anyway and I'm bound to cap my merits out before the next patch, so there's no rush. These weaponskills aren't a waste of merits if you had no other way to spend them, which is the approach I'm taking with it. I'll cap out STR and Exenterator, then HP/MP, and then Upheaval/Ruinator. Then the next patch will hit.

[Koroma]

I personally think the order should be Empyreon>Relic>Mythic since mythic are emphasis on stats on weapon while relic is emphasis on break and buff weaponskills with highest DoT.(Not counting aftermaths of course)

Of course I am of the school of thought that they should make mythics aftermath all 3 and just have higher tp increase the effect and duration. So don't mind me.

I sort of agree with you emp should be the strongest WS but i think relic weapons deserve better aftermath effects some of them really suck.

[Asymptotic]

Meh.
Exenterator is still decent.
Turning a blind eye.

[Sparthos]

All I'm saying is, most of these weaponskills are very obviously not useful and look like they've been intentionally made that way. The only "strong" part of most of these WSs is their modifier. I don't know exactly what they're planning for Group 2, or even if the Group 1 header is anything more than laziness, but I'd hesitate to totally write them off for all time.

At the moment, none of these weaponskills are so awesome that I'm going to go merit right after the update so I can use them. XP comes to me anyway and I'm bound to cap my merits out before the next patch, so there's no rush. These weaponskills aren't a waste of merits if you had no other way to spend them, which is the approach I'm taking with it. I'll cap out STR and Exenterator, then HP/MP, and then Upheaval/Ruinator. Then the next patch will hit.

I'd throw in the "I want to believe.jpg" here but if that was the case Byrth, SE has failed on marketing the product to its end-user and no such announcement supporting your argument has been made. Cat II could be another set of WS for all we know or tweaks to old weaponskill modifiers.

Some of the weaponskills are already viable without further improvement and rival/surpass current weaponskills. Last Stand, Tachi: Shoha, Resolution, Shijin Spiral and Exenterator to exact so I see no reason why they'd hand out nerfs without explaining that a bright future lay in wait for the very same weaponskills.

It seems in yet another fit to 'balance' things, SE has completely destroyed the viability of 3 WS in particular (Ruinator, Realmrazer, Requiescat) and feel that old weaponskills should hold some seniority over the new. Of course, this point of view is the polar opposite of the base but what's new.