Relic Weapon Skills at Level 99

[Unleashhell]

Do you even know how your sword works? The HP additional effect and the occasional 2.5x damage procs are independent of Knights of Round.

Excalibur is already a beastly DPS sword on any higher level mob because of this alone. If you're not at high enough HP for your Excalibur to matter, get better WHMs.

LOL yes I know how my sword works. My point is the actual "Relic weaponskill" which on most relics need to be adjusted a'lot more then the path SE is currently gearing towards. Would be pretty stupid to do a relic and not know how it works...

If you think the HP% and the hidden effect make Excalibur Beastly your sadly mistaken...

[Neisan_Quetz]

Excalibur is 2nd or 3rd best Pld mainhand weapon, depending on how much Atonement is nerfed against target mob. I really don't see why this is a problem.

[kyomi]

While I don't have a relic I can see why people would complain about them given what I have found. I got fed up with the back and forth between which is hrder so did some homework about the topic point instead. All relic being 3.0 ftp, no tp modifiers, and hidden effect changes seem to be valid complaints.

Back at 75 cap this all made sense, but when you introduce a new weapon line then hardly upgrade an existing one you said wouldn't be replaced, it seems like a kick in the teeth. 25% boost seems lacking, even if factored after everything else, when looking at the lack of scaling with tp. Most aftermath add little to nothing to the wielder mking them want to hold tp, and no bonus to aftermath effect or ws damage if they do.

Being stuck with the ws I have, I would be upset if some of my dd ws didn't scale either or have something that made holding tp augment the ws in sme fashion. I don't have to worry about this though, and some of my ws that don't scale at least have multiple hits to fall back on. With that I think the devs really should take a second look at relics and put more effort ot make them act like normal weapons. The unique nature of them seems to be pretty bad.

[Darriken]

I just turned in stage 4 of the bow today, you can see it on monday. It's not something I would lie about lol. I've had the currency for a while, just decided to turn it in and start it cause LSmate is doing his too so can work on trials together at some point, the NM stages. Being someone who actually farmed an entire relic on his own in 40 days, I feel my opinion on how easy it is does indeed matter. Hardest part of making it was deciding exactly which relic to make. Have you guys actually tried to farm dynamis lately? Actually who here even farmed their currency? I'd assume most simply bought the currency then made it, spending millions back when we were all 75.

My posts are entirely relevant. Of course I haven't actually gotten my relic to 95 or even 75 yet, but I've helped others with their trials, and it's not hard at all, just kill a bunch of EP mobs then a few EP nms.

Why does everyone keep over exaggerating how fast you can complete an empy. It's only fast because there are no artificial time constraints put on it. If you got alot of help and your game day is 16 hours long then of course it only takes a few days. Take those people and all go solo dynamis for you for 2 hours and you will have enough to make a relic too within 2-3 days.

colliex, which 2 empys did you barely sneeze at and make from start to completion in a week? How many people did you have helping you? How many pretrials did you sleep over night and leech? Since you are mega rich, how fast can you get the 15-16k currency to make a brand new lvl 75 relic? How long do you estimate it would take you to take a relic from 75 to 95? How fast can you make your lvl 95 empy? It took me 1 month to make 90-95 empy. You might have all the money in the world, but you still can't buy 1500 plates just like that. Well maybe more supply now that ls bard finished her harp today. Go look around and see how much currency you can buy for relic. Is so much out there, all you need is the gil.

I thought you said you had three people

[Cljader1]

Do you even know how your sword works? The HP additional effect and the occasional 2.5x damage procs are independent of Knights of Round.

Excalibur is already a beastly DPS sword on any higher level mob because of this alone. If you're not at high enough HP for your Excalibur to matter, get better WHMs.

This is true, excalibur is a beast the normal regular hits are monsterous sometimes even doing as much as the ws itself

[Crysten]

LOL yes I know how my sword works. My point is the actual "Relic weaponskill" which on most relics need to be adjusted a'lot more then the path SE is currently gearing towards. Would be pretty stupid to do a relic and not know how it works...

If you think the HP% and the hidden effect make Excalibur Beastly your sadly mistaken...

Depends entirely on your target mob, as I've pointed out. I have no idea what mobs you fight on PLD on a regular basis, so I can't make an informed judgement here. I remember seeing parses of Excalibur PLDs making DDs look positively stupid on Jailer of Love back at 75 based on the added/hidden effects alone, but I can't speak for anything at current endgame.

If you're talking about fodder mobs and Abyssea, then yes, Excalibur tends to fall behind Almace due to CDC's potency and Aftermath. For current endgame mobs in VW like Qilin, though, an Excalibur in particular is going to hold it's own well provided your support isn't leaving you in the yellow the entire time. The harder the mobs become, the more the balance tilts in favour of relics as the majority of Empyrean WS lose their luster due to mob defense, lower crit rates and so on.

The simple way to put it - shit is situational. Use your Excalibur on harder stuff, Almace on easier stuff, then quit the freaking whining cos Burtgang's better than both of them.

I can't help but feel that sense of entitlement from relic holders again, here, honestly. :/

[macross]

On my own, meaning i'm playing 2-3 chars to farm with, not 3 people. 3 real people would be much more efficient, and done faster than 40 days. 3 real chars you can avg 550 a day likely, each going separately. 30 days or so.

Are you guys actually parsing your damage, or are you just eyeballing and saying they suck?

[newmonkey]

Macross why is it you think its ok for empyreans to have very strong weapon skills aswell as a very strong aftermath yet you feel relic weapon skills should be left were they are because some relics have a good aftermath ?

There is nothing wrong with relic holders wanting there relic ws dmg numbers to be equal to empyrean ws numbers you keep going on about bravura and its aftermath, last i checked war can rock a huge chunk of haste now with -pdt gear, metatron does terrible damage compared to ukon and it's a complete and utter joke something needs to be done.

If im wrong and you arn't saying the above then i appologise but it is how you come across.

[Neisan_Quetz]

In Excal's case, combination of Eyeballing and other factors (possibly including improperly geared). Even then, at 95 KoR's damage compared to Vorpal is close, but as long as accuracy isn't an issue Vorpal still has an edge over it.

M Torment is better now than it was at 75 and outside abyssea does better than Raging (without BR up).

[Unleashhell]

In Excal's case, combination of Eyeballing and other factors (possibly including improperly geared). Even then, at 95 KoR's damage compared to Vorpal is close, but as long as accuracy isn't an issue Vorpal still has an edge over it.

M Torment is better now than it was at 75 and outside abyssea does better than Raging (without BR up).

Dude they aren't even close. And trust me I got the gear to go with it. I'm not one of these people that get a relic with crappy gear. I get gear first before a relic. My setup has good ACC along with a balance on modifiers and ATT.