Hey remember SC > MB? Make it required.

[Sappho]

Back on the point you missed: Skillchains and MBs are comparable to fighting IT monsters. Sure, bonus damage (bonus exp). But in the meantime you could have done 10 other monsters (10 other WS) and gotten way more exp (done way more damage).

It doesn't have to be that way.
Clearly I'm shouting at the wind.

I started to write a long example of the way my old static group used to do SCs, but then I realized there's no fucking point. Those days are gone.

Just TP zerg everything to oblivion.

[Chriscoffey]

It doesn't have to be that way.
Clearly I'm shouting at the wind.

I started to write a long example of the way my old static group used to do SCs, but then I realized there's no fucking point. Those days are gone.

Just TP zerg everything to oblivion.

That is pretty much what I'm saying because nobody wants teamwork apparently on an MMO just epeen numbers.

[Shadowsong]

That is pretty much what I'm saying because nobody wants teamwork apparently on an MMO just epeen numbers.

Well this is awfully pessimistic.
People in an MMO want 3 things- 1) To have fun 2) To play with other human beings and 3) To obtain gear and advance their characters
In response to you no, I do not want teamwork to accomplish less than what I can do solo. I would love to do teamwork that increases my effectiveness, why wouldn't I?

Yeah but it will vary accordingly. I just find that most people are so into this TP spam they don't want to change playing style to even consider teamwork in SC again.

Show me one person who is "not even considering it". It has been considered and rejected as inferior. I'm pretty sure actually that every single person in this thread said people would start doing SC again if the damage was upped to offset the TP holds, or some kinda debuff was added.

[Chriscoffey]

Well this is awfully pessimistic.
People in an MMO want 3 things- 1) To have fun 2) To play with other human beings and 3) To obtain gear and advance their characters
In response to you no, I do not want teamwork to accomplish less than what I can do solo. I would love to do teamwork that increases my effectiveness, why wouldn't I?



Show me one person who is "not even considering it". It has been considered and rejected as inferior. I'm pretty sure actually that every single person in this thread said people would start doing SC again if the damage was upped to offset the TP holds, or some kinda debuff was added.

As I said before if the mob was made where you needed SC to do anything to it(a huge increase in damage physical/magical reread my previous posting about this) in some form it wouldn't matter about holding TP much less about your parse end result which is what i was getting at before with the epeen comment. This would mean some job adjustments about how the SC was done or what it did ,however, it could bring back a bit more control and teamwork.

I can't understand why everything has to be a damn parsing event where you just blow shit up and then think "hell yeah this is fun". It was cool on Bahamut Ver.2 back in the day but it's gotten old to see it on every fucking mob we have thrown at us because "hey SC suck amirite? they nerf my damage output". This could change how people use X hits build for getting more TP than needed but still attacking the mob for DOT in between WS.

I welcome a change from this playing but I would go on to say I bet I'm in a minority considering the pace of MMO now where HARD or spending more than 30 minutes on END GAME is crossing into my TV time.

[ManaKing]

People in an MMO want 3 things- 1) To have fun 2) To play with other human beings and 3) To obtain gear and advance their characters
In response to you no, I do not want teamwork to accomplish less than what I can do solo. I would love to do teamwork that increases my effectiveness, why wouldn't I?

I can't agree more with this.

I feel like the zerging has led to less of 2) which leads to less of 1). Oh I can do 3) by just bringing a NIN and a WHM and just pressing the same 4 macros over and over again. Hell I can even dual box them so I don't have to bother with a 2nd person....this is pretty much aby in a nutshell for me.

VW is pretty similar to aby in this respect because all you do is bring as many people as you need to bother with and just chug temps all day long trying to proc....It's boring and random some days.

I really hope that the next generation of end game requires a little more planning that GOGOGOGOGOOGOGO RAWR!!!!!!! WSWSWSWSWSWSWSWSWS PROC!!!!! TEMPS!!!!! WSWSWSWS MAGIC X 20!!!! GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!