[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Afania]

Nope. you sorta missed the point, but I'm no master telecaster, so it may be my fault.

Most people don't have empy weapons.

Everyone will have 3 of these new WS which are for the most part close to empy WS.

No one will want you coming on a job that doesn't have 1 of the 2.



Some people have a bunch of Jobs that they have dumped millions of merits / gear /time into. They shouldn't suddenly be considered gimp because they can't put 5 merits into them.

So you already realized being "gimp" or not is depending on other player's level. If everyone has AF3, you're using perle, then you're "gimp". If only 2% of player has AF3, and you're using perle, then you're just average.

So you have 3 merit WS, and every other player also have 3, idk what's so gimp about it. The amount of merit WS you have isn't lower than other ppl.

And no, merit WS won't make a very big difference about able to play a job or not. I often join /shout VW pt on BLU, and as long as there's a BLU spot open I can pretty much get in easily. I dont have empy, and everytime when I joined entire alliance has empy as long as it's DD or PLD. Compare with other player in alliance, I'm "gimp", since my gear lv is slightly on lower tier. But that doesn't stop me from playing BLU, because the alliance needs it.

If your WAR doesn't have enough merit to get merit WS, you will still get invited if the situation needs WAR and they can't find other ppl. And not having merit WS doesn't make it gimp either, since the amount of merit WS you have isn't lower than other ppl. The pt may try to find Ukko WAR first, and they may not be able to find one because not everyone have empy. Then they start to look for merit WS WAR, and they may still not be able to find one because no one merit that WS. In the end they will have to settle for the one without, then everyone with WAR leveled and no merit WS will have same chance to get in to the pt. If everyone all have merit WS on every job, chances are you still won't gain extra chance to play your WAR because other WAR has it too.

Merit WS should be like empy WS, that it offers you extra advantage when trying to get in to the pt. But if the situation really needs X job, there's no way you don't get to play it just because you don't have the WS. Of course, other ppl with that WS may get more chance than you to play that job, but it's also the same with empy. Other ppl with empy has more chance to play that job than you as well. You're only assuming that everyone can get merit WS therefore everyone else will have that WS, but that's not necessary true since not everyone will merit same WS as you do. Merit WS will NOT become a standard to judge gimp or not because not everyone has them all, period. If merit WS is a standard, then so does empy because a large amount of population has it(you can't deny that)

[FrankReynolds]

So you already realized being "gimp" or not is depending on other player's level. If everyone has AF3, you're using perle, then you're "gimp". If only 2% of player has AF3, and you're using perle, then you're just average.

So you have 3 merit WS, and every other player also have 3, idk what's so gimp about it. The amount of merit WS you have isn't lower than other ppl.

This is the part I have a problem with. I honestly didn't read the rest because I'm getting bored of it.

First part is correct. Not having the baseline gear makes you a gimp.

Second part is just..... Look... if everyone can only be good at three jobs, that is a problem.

[Afania]

This is the part I have a problem with. I honestly didn't read the rest because I'm getting bored of it.

First part is correct. Not having the baseline gear makes you a gimp.

Second part is just..... Look... if everyone can only be good at three jobs, that is a problem.

Since you didn't read the rest, I guess you missed the most important point in the post, that merit WS won't become the baseline of the job because not everyone will have it on that job.


And second part.......I already stress this over and over, but I guess you won't get it then. Allowing a player lose focus on one(or few) job in a MMORPG does more harm than good. I think That's one of the biggest complain in FFXIV, that there are very little to distinguish between each player.

[FrankReynolds]

Since you didn't read the rest, I guess you missed the most important point in the post, that merit WS won't become the baseline of the job because not everyone will have it on that job.


And second part.......I already stress this over and over, but I guess you won't get it then. Allowing a player lose focus on one(or few) job in a MMORPG does more harm than good. I think That's one of the biggest complain in FFXIV, that there are very little to distinguish between each player.

It is the baseline. You are not getting into any events on jobs with sub par damage. Everyone else will be on the jobs that they have merited ws for. That is the baseline that you will be compared to.

FFXIV sucks on so many different levels that its not even comparable. Forcing a player to only focus on three jobs is not going to make the game better. It's going to force people to sacrifice merits in jobs they like so that they can put them into the jobs that LS and Group leaders and / or the community in general wants them to. IE. I want to put merits into GA right now, but I had to remove them so that I could get Staff red proc. That is lame, although far less severe than say removing a skill entirely.