Are We Wasting Our Time?

[hiko]

I took the time to count votes on both forums. If every single JP that voted had voted for Hippo NA votes for Scorp would have still beaten them. Counting votes for Slime Ruszor Scorp and Hippo from both forums it would have looked like this:

#1 Scorp
#2 Ruszor
#3 Slime
#4 Hippo

In other words the only thing that mattered at all was which won on the JP forums.

numbers for each?
maybe hypo won with a bigger gap in jp
if scorp won with 20 more votes than hypo in NA/EU but hypo won with 21 more in jp that make hypo won by 1!

[Insaniac]

That really doesn't make much sense at all but either way it was 46-2 in the EN forums and 0-20 in the JP forums. 46-22 total.

[Insaniac]

This is a joke right? I seriously suggest you translate whatever you "translate" into Japanese back into English before posting it to understand what kind of nonsense you are going to spout.

The development team doesn't speak much (if any) English. Everything from non Japanese speaking players has to be translated by a person before they can understand it. This is time consuming process and honestly a waste of resources.

Also the vote count is meaningless. The reasons behind a decision matter more than an actual vote count. What's wrong with a Hyppoglyph. I think it makes more sense than a Scorpion.

In the case of a simple vote (ie. "scorpion") google translate would work just fine. Single JP words ussually translate very easily or you could just copy/paste from an english > jp dictionary. Also you can use google translate to find a vote by someone else and just copy/paste that. It's not really out of the question.

[Sasaraixx]

I understand that some people are frustrated, but I think there is a bit of overreacting here. I speak English and Japanese and I post in both forums. I see plenty of cases where the dev team blatantly goes against the player's request on the JP forums. If you aren't able to read both languages, I think it is really difficult for you to grasp the whole picture. (Google translate will only take you so far.) That and I think people are forgetting that the development has it's own concerns and vision as well. Also, SE is a Japanese company and they often operate quite different from what consumers in the US are used to. (Just look at the Sony debacle earlier this year).

I also took a look at the threads in question to see what all of the fuss was about. The NA thread was all over the place. Yes it had a lot more pages than the JP thread (a small part of that has to deal with the languages themselves), but you also had a lot more suggestions for different pets than the JP thread. So much so in fact that Camate had to come back in and ask you all to narrow down your choices. That didn't happen in the JP thread where Hippo was the clear winner from the outset.

There are also other considerations that people are forgetting. No where in the initial post from Camate did he guarantee that the pet with the most votes would be the one implemented. That is an assumption you are all making. The team probably looked at the results from the forums and picked the pet that they thought would most fit with the vision they have for the job heading to 99. They also had to think about how the jugs would actually be implemented and what abilities they would receive. And let's also not forget that there are probably more jugs coming in the future and Scorpion might be one of them.

And yes, there are JP players out there with really horrible opinions about NA players. I hope you realize that the reverse is true as well. Posting non-sense in the JP forums will only reinforce the stereotypes that *some* Japanese players have about us. And it won't help you with the dev team either.

I know that many of you are disappointed, but you aren't going to always going to get what you want. And I highly doubt that the dev team "didn't care about the NA votes at all." As I said, there were other considerations that went into their decision.

[Selzak]

I also took a look at the threads in question to see what all of the fuss was about. The NA thread was all over the place. Yes it had a lot more pages than the JP thread (a small part of that has to deal with the languages themselves), but you also had a lot more suggestions for different pets than the JP thread. So much so in fact that Camate had to come back in and ask you all to narrow down your choices. That didn't happen in the JP thread where Hippo was the clear winner from the outset.

Excuses, excuses. We were told that the dev team was letting us vote on which jug pet we wanted to be added, and:

I took the time to count votes on both forums. If every single JP that voted had voted for Hippo NA votes for Scorp would have still beaten them. Counting votes for Slime Ruszor Scorp and Hippo from both forums it would have looked like this:

#1 Scorp
#2 Ruszor
#3 Slime
#4 Hippo

In other words the only thing that mattered at all was which won on the JP forums.

[Zirael]

Giving people an illusion of choice, pretending that your vote matters and then ignoring the choice of majority (assuming we were all equal). Not nice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

[Sasaraixx]

Excuses, excuses. We were told that the dev team was letting us vote on which jug pet we wanted to be added, and:

More like you seeing only what you want to see. I already made several points, which you ignored completely. If you feel this way, you should quit. I think your reaction is totally off base, but I don't understand why you would continue to play this game if you feel this way.

[Selzak]

More like you seeing only what you want to see. I already made several points, which you ignored completely. If you feel this way, you should quit. I think your reaction is totally off base, but I don't understand why you would continue to play this game if you feel this way.

You hardly made a point at all.

Our votes were more varied, so that means our winner doesn't count?

We were asked to vote on which jug pet we wanted implemented, but weren't guaranteed that anyone cared? (While the Japanese winner actually was implemented)

"You don't always get what you want."?

And finally, I see this as wrong and want an explanation for it- I should quit the game?


Your "points" are just you trying really hard not to see this for what it is.


Oh, and also:

And yes, there are JP players out there with really horrible opinions about NA players. I hope you realize that the reverse is true as well. Posting non-sense in the JP forums will only reinforce the stereotypes that *some* Japanese players have about us. And it won't help you with the dev team either.

While I'm not going to do it personally, what could it hurt? What are we getting from the dev team that we would stop getting if we upset them by disrupting their honorable Japanese purity? At the very most, they would tell the two community reps who post translations for us to stop.

[Zaknafein]

More like you seeing only what you want to see. I already made several points, which you ignored completely. If you feel this way, you should quit. I think your reaction is totally off base, but I don't understand why you would continue to play this game if you feel this way.

Yeah asking players to vote then after the votes are tallied choosing the option that received the 4th most votes makes sense to you?

You say it was because of the language barrier? When the votes were tallied, and given to the development team by the reps they somehow misunderstood that? Or they went with the Japanese favorite because the Japanese forum users were almost all behind hippo. So because that was popular on the "preferred" forum they went with it regardless of
the fact that hippo placed 4th in TOTAL votes.

There are multiple posts in that thread where people came and made an account strictly to voice their opinion on a topic they felt strongly about as evidenced by their post count of 1. Is this really the message we want to send to those players who came here, and joined the community solely for that purpose. To paying customers who for the 1st time in years (some of us upwards of 9) felt they were actually contributing to the development of a game they love.

[Alhanelem]

You know, they could have avoided this problem easily and simply by polling the japanese and everyone else seperately, and giving us two new pets, the one that won in each group.