Are We Wasting Our Time?

[MDenham]

While all the JP players run around having fun without us... I suppose /sh and /yell spam FTW?

Eh, more than 750 people in the same zone is enough to cause stability problems (hence the 750-people-in-Besieged limit), so they'd definitely wonder what was going on if a third of the server (or more, but I'm going off the ~2700 I normally see at most times of day for Asura) was in Port Jeuno for no reason they can see.

[Shibayama]

I'm not entirely sure of what the point of these "Ohh why waste yer time complaining about it" posts - bcause something is very clearly wrong and has been for a long time and something needs to be done about it - it would be one thing entirely (though its own problem) were we not asked at all for our feedback but one too many times feedback is asked for and then guess whose ideas are picked? It does not matter if we are or are not on more than the JP - we are a large enough majority that we have community reps assigned for us, asking for our feedback.

And trust me - the japanese never have fun with anything they consider work like ffxi - I work for them.

[Selzak]

Further to that, at midnight JST (in April) it's 16:00 GMT, 11:00 EST, 08:00 PST. I look forward to hearing how you claim that any of these zones are more likely to be finishing their peak times at these times of day...?

I won't argue over something that I'm wrong about, I'm not that stubborn. I assumed from this poll that NA outnumbered JP and it's easy for your brain to make assumptions about 0 or 1 type data (AM / PM) and curves. I stand corrected.

It doesn't change the problem with what happened though. In the case of our poll, the English forum votes vastly outnumbered the Japanese votes, and the total votes for Scorpion were much higher than the total votes for Hippogryph.

[Selzak]

you're wasting your time. now you know, what are you going to do about it?

Try to inform as many people as I can so we become loud enough to be heard, thus requiring them to acknowledge us the way that they should be already.


I don't expect my opinion to matter more than Japanese players', but I also don't expect 7 pages of Japanese players' opinions to matter more than 44 pages of English-speaking players' opinions.

Our ideas, suggestions, and certainly our votes should count just as much as theirs- or at the very least even be considered in the first place.

[Arcon]

I have an idea. Let's all suggest all our votes or ideas on the JP boards, by translating them with Google. Just make a post in English, Google translate it and post. I'm all for it.

[Shadowsong]

Several things to note:
You are talking about a JAPANESE game, BASED in Japan, STAFFED by Japanese. Even if it's not intentional, there will be favoring towards the Japanese. This is a fact of the game and hasn't changed in nearly 10 years.
Like I just said, this problem is nothing new and barely affects anything. A random BST vote (that they didn't need to give us anyway) and maintenance times? Who cares...

I wouldn't care if they blatantly told us they perferred JP over NA, since they are providing me a service I find enjoyable regardless. If "racism" was an issue for me, and I perceived this as "racism" then I suppose the way to protest would be to quit and stop giving them your money. Not run to there own forums and start whining about a decade old issue you have with it.

People need to stop acting like they are entitled to equal treatment. This isnt the US Supreme Court, its a video game THEY OWN and can do anything they want with. SE is allowed to be as racist or fair as it wants.

[Laraul]

I have an idea. Let's all suggest all our votes or ideas on the JP boards, by translating them with Google. Just make a post in English, Google translate it and post. I'm all for it.

This is a joke right? I seriously suggest you translate whatever you "translate" into Japanese back into English before posting it to understand what kind of nonsense you are going to spout.

The development team doesn't speak much (if any) English. Everything from non Japanese speaking players has to be translated by a person before they can understand it. This is time consuming process and honestly a waste of resources.

Also the vote count is meaningless. The reasons behind a decision matter more than an actual vote count. What's wrong with a Hyppoglyph. I think it makes more sense than a Scorpion.

[Arcon]

People need to stop acting like they are entitled to equal treatment. This isnt the US Supreme Court, its a video game THEY OWN and can do anything they want with. SE is allowed to be as racist or fair as it wants.

Of course they are. No one is saying we should sue them. But it's a retarded business decision on their part, and we don't have to be happy about it. These forums are for feedback, and that's why this is exactly the right place to bring this up.

This is a joke right? I seriously suggest you translate whatever you "translate" into Japanese back into English before posting it to understand what kind of nonsense you are going to spout.

Yeah, that was kinda the point. Spam nonsense in their forums that they'll have to deal with, just to waste their time. It's the most logical course of action. Duh.

Also the vote count is meaningless. The reasons behind a decision matter more than an actual vote count. What's wrong with a Hyppoglyph. I think it makes more sense than a Scorpion.

Fortunately what you think isn't worth giving two shits about. The issue is, that they disguised it as a vote. They honestly asked for our opinion. And they got it and ignored it. And the example in the OP is only one of many, although it shows quite nicely how little of a fuck SE actually gives.

If they said "fuck the playerbase, we know best" no one would be complaining. At all. A company makes games, there's nothing unusual about that. It's SE wasting our time by asking our opinion, then lying about it mattering which upsets us. They created this forum for feedback, yet ignore almost all of it. They repeatedly ask for polls, yet ignore the results of those. Another nice example is whether or not the level cap should be raised to 100 or 99. They went with 99, which I personally voted for, but the outcome of the vote was clearly saying otherwise. At least in the English forums. Then they come up with a bullshit excuse why our vote didn't matter ("because you considered the abilities you get from 50 sub instead of the level itself"), and instead of giving us another vote, they just discarded it and took the Japanese results.

It's not their way of designing games which we question, but their lie about giving us a vote in the matter. If they simply shut us out and did their own thing, or reserved forums for bug reports alone, no one would be bitching here. But this is very much bitch-worthy.

[Tennotsukai]

Maybe NA players don't get a say in anything all because of the bad things we say after changes are made? lol, probably not...but I understand you guys. There was a similar issue dealing with BLU's heavy strike if I remember correctly.

[Seriha]

Some can take their criticisms too far, sure, but extracting the kernels of truth from all the noise isn't a bad thing.

Far as the jug issue goes, I don't really see a problem why they can't add all the suggested pets, if not all at once, at least eventually.