Are We Wasting Our Time?

[hiko]

I took the time to count votes on both forums. If every single JP that voted had voted for Hippo NA votes for Scorp would have still beaten them. Counting votes for Slime Ruszor Scorp and Hippo from both forums it would have looked like this:

#1 Scorp
#2 Ruszor
#3 Slime
#4 Hippo

In other words the only thing that mattered at all was which won on the JP forums.

numbers for each?
maybe hypo won with a bigger gap in jp
if scorp won with 20 more votes than hypo in NA/EU but hypo won with 21 more in jp that make hypo won by 1!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

numbers for each?
maybe hypo won with a bigger gap in jp
if scorp won with 20 more votes than hypo in NA/EU but hypo won with 21 more in jp that make hypo won by 1!

They counted them combined across the forums, Scorpion won.

Doesn't matter what way SE tries to swing this they proved in one sweet that they could care less about English players.

[Insaniac]

That really doesn't make much sense at all but either way it was 46-2 in the EN forums and 0-20 in the JP forums. 46-22 total.

[Volkai]

That really doesn't make much sense at all but either way it was 46-2 in the EN forums and 0-20 in the JP forums. 46-22 total.

What about in the French and German forums? Did you tally those votes up?

You don't seem to get it. Look at the thread title. It's a simple question and as accurate as it can be. Why does it matter if they just "considered it" and discarded it, or didn't consider it and discarded it?

Here, let me answer this: You have a chance of influencing decisions when you give your input. NOT a guarantee but a chance. Would you rather give input a hundred times and influence one out of a hundred decisions, or give input zero times and influence zero out of a hundred decisions?

I don't agree with that 'dishonest with us a lot' bit, but I do agree that in this case, it was handled wrong. Why bother asking us if they're not going to factor it in?

What makes you think it wasn't factored in? As previously mentioned, other factors aside from player's votes may have altered the decision.

[noodles355]

What about in the French and German forums? Did you tally those votes up?

I just did.
French forums: 0 voted on everything. Not a single vote. Sauce: "Suggestions for the future of Bst
German forums: 5 Hippo, 3 Orobon, 2 Ironclad (lulz), 1 Scorp, 1 Chigoe, 1 Chloris, 1 Opo-opo Sauce: Which new pet should Beastmaster get?
That brings the total score accross all forum'd nations to... 47-27. Accross all nations the scorpion won by twenty votes. You can vote for whoever you want as long as you vote for us.

In mother russia, Pet charms you.

[Sasaraixx]

I understand that some people are frustrated, but I think there is a bit of overreacting here. I speak English and Japanese and I post in both forums. I see plenty of cases where the dev team blatantly goes against the player's request on the JP forums. If you aren't able to read both languages, I think it is really difficult for you to grasp the whole picture. (Google translate will only take you so far.) That and I think people are forgetting that the development has it's own concerns and vision as well. Also, SE is a Japanese company and they often operate quite different from what consumers in the US are used to. (Just look at the Sony debacle earlier this year).

I also took a look at the threads in question to see what all of the fuss was about. The NA thread was all over the place. Yes it had a lot more pages than the JP thread (a small part of that has to deal with the languages themselves), but you also had a lot more suggestions for different pets than the JP thread. So much so in fact that Camate had to come back in and ask you all to narrow down your choices. That didn't happen in the JP thread where Hippo was the clear winner from the outset.

There are also other considerations that people are forgetting. No where in the initial post from Camate did he guarantee that the pet with the most votes would be the one implemented. That is an assumption you are all making. The team probably looked at the results from the forums and picked the pet that they thought would most fit with the vision they have for the job heading to 99. They also had to think about how the jugs would actually be implemented and what abilities they would receive. And let's also not forget that there are probably more jugs coming in the future and Scorpion might be one of them.

And yes, there are JP players out there with really horrible opinions about NA players. I hope you realize that the reverse is true as well. Posting non-sense in the JP forums will only reinforce the stereotypes that *some* Japanese players have about us. And it won't help you with the dev team either.

I know that many of you are disappointed, but you aren't going to always going to get what you want. And I highly doubt that the dev team "didn't care about the NA votes at all." As I said, there were other considerations that went into their decision.

[Selzak]

I also took a look at the threads in question to see what all of the fuss was about. The NA thread was all over the place. Yes it had a lot more pages than the JP thread (a small part of that has to deal with the languages themselves), but you also had a lot more suggestions for different pets than the JP thread. So much so in fact that Camate had to come back in and ask you all to narrow down your choices. That didn't happen in the JP thread where Hippo was the clear winner from the outset.

Excuses, excuses. We were told that the dev team was letting us vote on which jug pet we wanted to be added, and:

I took the time to count votes on both forums. If every single JP that voted had voted for Hippo NA votes for Scorp would have still beaten them. Counting votes for Slime Ruszor Scorp and Hippo from both forums it would have looked like this:

#1 Scorp
#2 Ruszor
#3 Slime
#4 Hippo

In other words the only thing that mattered at all was which won on the JP forums.

[Sasaraixx]

Excuses, excuses. We were told that the dev team was letting us vote on which jug pet we wanted to be added, and:

More like you seeing only what you want to see. I already made several points, which you ignored completely. If you feel this way, you should quit. I think your reaction is totally off base, but I don't understand why you would continue to play this game if you feel this way.

[Selzak]

More like you seeing only what you want to see. I already made several points, which you ignored completely. If you feel this way, you should quit. I think your reaction is totally off base, but I don't understand why you would continue to play this game if you feel this way.

You hardly made a point at all.

Our votes were more varied, so that means our winner doesn't count?

We were asked to vote on which jug pet we wanted implemented, but weren't guaranteed that anyone cared? (While the Japanese winner actually was implemented)

"You don't always get what you want."?

And finally, I see this as wrong and want an explanation for it- I should quit the game?


Your "points" are just you trying really hard not to see this for what it is.


Oh, and also:

And yes, there are JP players out there with really horrible opinions about NA players. I hope you realize that the reverse is true as well. Posting non-sense in the JP forums will only reinforce the stereotypes that *some* Japanese players have about us. And it won't help you with the dev team either.

While I'm not going to do it personally, what could it hurt? What are we getting from the dev team that we would stop getting if we upset them by disrupting their honorable Japanese purity? At the very most, they would tell the two community reps who post translations for us to stop.

[Sasaraixx]

You hardly made a point at all.

Our votes were more varied, so that means our winner doesn't count?

We were asked to vote on which jug pet we wanted implemented, but weren't guaranteed that anyone cared? (While the Japanese winner actually was implemented)

"You don't always get what you want."?

And finally, I see this as wrong and want an explanation for it- I should quit the game?

Your "points" are just you trying really hard not to see this for what it is.

Ugh.

I say that you should quit not because I disagree with voicing your concerns about a game that you pay money for, but because I think you are being silly and unreasonable.

I don't understand people who cry "favoritism" every time a maintenance doesn't happen during JP peak times, despite the fact that the JP players are clearly the majority. I don't understand people who think that being asked for your opinion means that you will get exactly what you ask for and ignore the fact that the JP forums are full of complaints about the development team not listening to them either. I don't understand people who seem to forget that there are a myriad of reasons behind any decision, but instead immediately go to "it's because we're not JP!" And I don't understand people who think that their opinions don't matter because they aren't Japanese, but continue to complain about Japanese players in a Japanese game run by a Japanese development team on the forums established by a Japanese company.

I doubt you will find many people on these forums (NA, EU and JP) who are happy 100% happy with the way the development team is handling things. I know I've let my voice be heard many times. I find this thread irrational given the amount of times we've seen the dev team both listen and not listen to suggestions on these forums.