Current Empy 95 Price

[Neisan_Quetz]

Might be hoarding in the hope SE drops the requirements, and I doubt they have the tenacity you do for finishing it at current requirement.

[MarkovChain]

They will not lower the requirements. It's an unimportant problem seing are they are only a mediocre improvement over level 90's ones and those are extremely easy to get.

[Taint2]

95 Almace has been completed.

[Chriscoffey]

Wow that took a long time. <sarcasm>

[Tagrineth]

Once more people have Jeuno T3 access there will be more people fighting them which will increase supply.

Also, it's very likely that metal plates will drop from the next two waves of Voidwalkers, possibly not just from the highest tier of them, which will also start boosting the supply. I suspect also that they may introduce larger pouches in the next wave.

It's very possible that this is a less extreme example of the 50,000 Alexandrite situation - they just don't want too many people having 95 empyrean weapons too quickly, so that the 99 upgrade content, once released, isn't too badly flooded from the get-go.

[MarkovChain]

Wow that took a long time. <sarcasm>

Sarcastic because you didn't read the thread. We have been arguing that doing voidwatch only will not lead you to upgrading an empyrean, and that you would need to buy (nearly all) the plates, which this JP obviously did. If you read my #245 post you'll see that I already explained that a JP would have it quickly. The conclusion of the thread is that the necessary and sufficient condition to get 1500 plates is to own 150+ millions of gil.

Week 2 prices were 500k, week 3 were 200k now they are 150k with more and more in bazaars. It's not enough to feed everyone's empy so the prices will stay that high most likely and that puts the effort equal to gathering 15k dynamis coins at least wether it being with buying or farming.

In the end SE found an equilibrium that satisfies casual players and hardcores, though you lose the 'available to everyone" aspect of abyssea. The only issue is that it's not a reward from endgame but just pure gil but hey, were are not 99 yet so who care, at least it forces people to finally burn their stockpiled gil.

[Zagen]

The real question is does the 95 version have/do anything besides the visible minor stat upgrades because that I'm sure is a deciding factor for many people like me.

[Taint2]

Once more people have Jeuno T3 access there will be more people fighting them which will increase supply.

Also, it's very likely that metal plates will drop from the next two waves of Voidwalkers, possibly not just from the highest tier of them, which will also start boosting the supply. I suspect also that they may introduce larger pouches in the next wave.

It's very possible that this is a less extreme example of the 50,000 Alexandrite situation - they just don't want too many people having 95 empyrean weapons too quickly, so that the 99 upgrade content, once released, isn't too badly flooded from the get-go.

T3 Zilart is where the Plates are at. T3 Jueno only drops singles, T3 Zilart drops Pouches. Niceguy the JP that finished Spammed Qilin while buying any pouch that dropped form the alliance.

Expect to see a dozen 95 emps by the end of the month, Zilart T3 is being spammed every day for hours on end.

[Staren]

Taint2 is right Niceguy was spamming Qilin because he drops pouches like candy and people were selling to him for 200k a plate because it was easy money. He's basically lived in Sky for the last week doing Qilin with PUG after PUG to get it done.

Byrth:

Time required to farm:
Relic: At 100 currency per hour with some added time for attestation/fragment, Relics take about a week of playtime to complete. This is mostly done duo, so it's about 2 weeks playtime (~340 mahours unless you dualbox).

Empyrean: I've heard estimates as low as 3 Heavy Metal plates average per Tier 3/4 Jeuno path NM with capped lights and a full alliance. Assuming each fight takes 30 minutes (including gather time/etc), you're looking at 4,500 manhours (27 weeks playtime) to complete one Empyrean from 90 to 95. Even if you average 5 per Voidwatch NM, you're looking at 2,700 manhours (16 weeks playtime).

Mythic: If you average 70 Alexandrite per 90-minute run (which is high on the Alex and low on the time) with three people, you'd expect the Alexandrite stage of a Mythic to take about 2,000 manhours (11.5 weeks playtime).

This math is horrendous as its only counting time spent, as well as a very very low average for Coins in Dynamis. I'll lend that they didnt know how easy plates were acquired from Qilin and how short the fights are.

Dynamis with 2-3 people is an average of 300 coins a run on the low end. At around 18000 coins on the worst end thats 60 runs 2 months of work on the low end for a relic.

Salvage is about 50-70 so we can say 60 alex on average a run on a normal run so thats 500 runs on average to farm up the alexandrite for salvage or 1 year 135 days.

More realistic numbers for heavy metal plates is as I was seeing was 20-30 every 12 runs (with a max of 30 mins a run with no game day wait limitation) I did 12 runs in about 3hrs with Niceguy's group (and thats with replacing people between every 3 runs). So giving the average of 25 plates every 3hrs and assuming (to keep the time put per day on par with salvage or dyna yes its a little more since I'm sure if most of us who do dyna/salvage would love extra time everyday to farm in our specific events) you only do one run a day thats 60 days of work for a 95 empy.

So the current pricetag of 450mil-600mil or a 500 day farm for alex says hi. It's really sad to see so much QQ'ing for these weapons when empys even the base are so much more ridiculously easy than mythics or relics. But comparing relics or empys to mythics right now is insulting and shows that you've not honestly looked into making an mythic compared to making an empy or relic. If you dont think relics are easy you havent been doing new dyna or read the threads on how to do it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you're talking about Byrth, he has the 30k Alex and all requirements but Tokens done for Mythic iirc.