Current Empy 95 Price

[Return1]

I'm going to break this down.

Making gil in game is the same as real life just because you work hard doesn't mean you'll make those millions of dollars to be able to afford the mansion and Ferrari.

1) No. No it's not. I have to go work for 8 hours a day for a few bucks an hour. I can farm up 1-5mil a day, in just a few hours a day, with a mule.

2) You're going with a price that is not even decided yet, aqnd basing all of your assumptions off of it.

3) You have no Idea what the upgrade to Emp weapons are, and you're already writing it off as minor, not even considering likely hidden boosts or future 99 boosts.

4) Just because YOU think you/others won't do the upgrade doesn't mean others won't.

People will make these fast and for cheap within 3 months.

I also want to point out that VW is the first Endgame content we've received since the 75 cap was raised. Endgame is supposed to be harder, since that's the point of endgame. Endgame is not designed for everyone. This is a good thing. Everyone's getting something. Everyone has access to a passably strong weapon, and the dedicated get stronger weapons. The End.

[Atomic_Skull]

I think that there should be a few near impossible goals in this game, not everything should be like this but there should be at least a few things like this for the hardcore players.

[MarkovChain]

ntent we've received since the 75 cap was raised. Endgame is supposed to be harder, since that's the point of endgame. Endgame is not designed for everyone. This is a good thing. Everyone's getting something. Everyone has access to a passably strong weapon, and the dedicated get stronger weapons. The End.

Voidwatch is not endgame it's a bcnm lol. Faceplam. The gear is a downgrade/situational and it's only worth doing it to sell the crap. I think you don't know what endgame is.

[Kimble]

Voidwatch is not endgame it's a bcnm lol. Faceplam. The gear is a downgrade/situational and it's only worth doing it to sell the crap. I think you don't know what endgame is.

What is end game then? Isnt it content you do when you reach the end of your leveling?

[Orson]

I'm going to break this down.



1) No. No it's not. I have to go work for 8 hours a day for a few bucks an hour. I can farm up 1-5mil a day, in just a few hours a day, with a mule.

2) You're going with a price that is not even decided yet, aqnd basing all of your assumptions off of it.

3) You have no Idea what the upgrade to Emp weapons are, and you're already writing it off as minor, not even considering likely hidden boosts or future 99 boosts.

4) Just because YOU think you/others won't do the upgrade doesn't mean others won't.

People will make these fast and for cheap within 3 months.

I also want to point out that VW is the first Endgame content we've received since the 75 cap was raised. Endgame is supposed to be harder, since that's the point of endgame. Endgame is not designed for everyone. This is a good thing. Everyone's getting something. Everyone has access to a passably strong weapon, and the dedicated get stronger weapons. The End.

I hate to feed trolls but....

People who use point form arguments tend to be trying to present their opinion as fact. All this does is make you come off as a know it all. As I pointed out Relics and such were content that was done by very few. There's no indication that others won't see this as anything different than a Relic. Also the general consensus on most forums is that this trial is not only unpopular but will take even the most avid player a long time to finish.

You don't seem to understand how supply and demand work. Just like any limited commodity market, item prices will go up not only on the number of people in the market but will adjust to how much people are earning. If the average player can earn X gil per week then the plates price will be set where him/her will not be able to afford that goal in a reasonable time frame. With the estimates of how many heavy plates are coming into the market even big gil makers/buyers will take a long time to finish the trial in question. Your excuse of "I can make 1-5 mil in a few hrs" means very little because likely you are not earning much more than the average player per hr. You might have more time to spend on the game than the average player but overall the total time you spend on the trial is likely about the same. So your whole argument revolves not around what's a reasonable amount of effort but that you have enough time to waste or are willing to exploit people, so screw everyone else.

To say they shouldn't make the majority of content for everyone after the leveling portion of the game is only embraced by a small group of people with superiority complexes based on having more free time than their fellow co-players. Unsurprisingly this group of players are very loud about how the game isn't hardcore enough for them because the only time they're happy is when they have a visible and numerical advantage over the average player. It's not enough that they finish content faster than anyone else they feel the need to be "superior."

It is funny that you think content should be designed that only targets a small % of the population of FFXI. From a marketing aspect that's ridiculous and not financially sound. Abyssea was a smash hit. Why? The gear was awesome and was readily available without fighting others for the privilege to get it (for the most part.) Now look at something like Chocobo Racing I bet you thought that was a waste of development right? What about the Evolith system created solely to promote Synergy? Wouldn't it have been more intelligent and keep more subscriptions to put those efforts into fixing stuff like inventory issues or raising the level cap sooner? Nah that's stupid, Chocobo Racing obviously made a small group happy so it made the game better. That's the attitude that has time and time again hurt this game. Always satisfy the largest groups first then move onto the more fringe elements if you have time.

The other common mistake is equating length of task to difficulty. It's not like FFXI is hard. Even VW can be done by most average players with the proper leadership and study/education. The task of collecting an item that costs gil that can be accrued simply by having spare time solo is difficult how? Sure it takes dedication to complete such tasks but apart from that it doesn't make you better at the game. The only possible things that make you "superior" is you have had luck using the in-game economy, have generous friends, and/or have plenty of real life money to spend.

[Return1]

Voidwatch is not endgame it's a bcnm lol. Faceplam. The gear is a downgrade/situational and it's only worth doing it to sell the crap. I think you don't know what endgame is.

You're retarded. There's going to be at least 4 parts to VW. These fights are pretty much 95-99 only, and the parts 3 and 4 will be geared towards 99s most likely.

I would just like to once again point out that you're stupid. It's a BCNM so it's not endgame? How is Sky/Sea/ZNM/Ouryuu/BahamutV2/Einherjar?

All of those involve you spawning a powerful mob and killing it, just like VW.

In fact, VW has its own powered up version of Kirin in Qilin.

[MarkovChain]

All of those involve you spawning a powerful mob and killing it, just like VW.

In fact, VW has its own powered up version of Kirin in Qilin.

Yes that's what I thought, you think you are killing big things. Let me guess. You were in a HNMLs, thought you were important, and this time you see voidwatch is the only alliance event and decide on your own that it's something serious. SE themselves made it sure to prevent the playerbase to rush to it :

- no good gear
- not the best gear
- no thing great for the best jobs
- extremely situationnal crap

You realize dynamis NMs drops are mostly superior to viodwatch ? Oneiros grip for instance. Does your ally have this kind of good gear or are you going to have your LS spam VW until you get mats to craft gear that you will not get from VW but from the AH since you will have to sell the mat and the gear doesn't drop directly from VW. VW is fail on many levels. Enjoy your 1.4% TP body lol.

[Gokku]

holy hell i spend 4 days driving and this thread blows up ill update the empty space tonight once ive shifted through it all and look on AH for any price listings.

[Return1]

*** the quality of gear doesn't determine if an event is Endgame, the levels do.

- no good gear
- not the best gear
- no thing great for the best jobs
- extremely situationnal crap

What?

Ganesha's Mala

Langeleik

Strendu Ring

Tyrant's Ring

Mekira

Mantis Eye

Lenore's

Oynos

Eurus

Magma

Omphalos

Heka

Grotesque Cesti

Romanus

Wiglen

Bruiser

Aliyat

Dilaram

Toci

Ace's

Fajin

There's lots of good gear there, most of it is the hands down best for what it does on one or more of the jobs that can equip it, and there are no "Best Jobs".

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[Zagen]

Your list had some issues:

Ganesha's Mala - Good

Langeleik - Good

Strendu Ring - Good

Tyrant's Ring - AHable so no need to do the event for it.

Mekira - Situational at best.

Mantis Eye - Situational again.

Lenore's - Why is this here?

Oynos - AHable so no need to do the event for it.

Eurus - AHable and only good on RDM, COR, RNG and really it only matters to a DD RDM.

Magma - AHable so no need to do the event for it.

Omphalos - This is the best QD bullet can't argue with it being wanted by CORs.

Heka - Cool if you're not a WHM and looking to pimp out your curing set.

Grotesque Cesti - AHable so no need to do the event for it. Nice for Soloing I guess though I'd rather look at Magian/Emp/WoE.

Romanus - AHable so no need to do the event for it. Really only great for BLU Whisker build but at 90 the build already 1 shot mobs so not even needed then.

Wiglen - AHable so no need to do the event for it. Situational.

Bruiser - AHable so no need to do the event for it.

Aliyat - Pretty decent though situational.

Dilaram - Good

Toci - Good

Ace's - Good

Fajin - Situationally good.

VW really has such amazing gear options >.> Of ths list if you include situational items that's 12 that are worth doing VW for, and even then some of those situational items won't be used much so its really 8 items.

How are those going to keep people happy while one person is getting their 1500 plates?

Also what happens when people don't have jobs for those items so they have no value?

What about when everyone gets those items and has nothing to benefit from the event aside from helping someone else out with plates and gil from the AHables (Gil payouts aren't as appealing to most players anymore)?

You mention doing other events to entice people to do VW but the more events you add, the less VW you can do, and in turn the longer finishing 1 weapon takes. Which makes the whole thing even worse.