WAR Job Ability 90+: "Weapon Mastery"

[Superchicken]

Further throughout the post, I tried to bring to light that a pro WAR could already go neck and neck with most other jobs with the limited Weapon skills they already possess, and could shine even further with access to a few more ws's at their disposal

what is this limitation of weaponskills you speak of. To me warrior has access to very many WS as is. And lets be honest here, WARs excel at GA this day in time. Sure they are good with the Axe but still gonna favor the GAxe. They even do good with the sword, dual wield wars with off hand Ridill main hand axe or sword spamming rampage or vorpals were pretty nice as well in those ToAU merit parties but even then wars using polearm spamming penta thrust were pretty nasty. So lets look at this ok you dont get dancing edge you dont get asuran fists, when would you seriously ever utilize these anyway even if you did have them? You could say well i'm fighting piercing mobs so DE go go, but even then i'd bet you would do better with penta thrust which you already have. Well i'm fighting pots or bones and need blunt dmg, even then i dont think asuran fists would fare you much and would probably be better to just stick with a GA. In essence if you think about it ok you want this things but probably wouldn't come into very main practical situations to use them anyway.

Using whm and hexa was kind of a bad example cause your comparing a mage that stands in the back line majority of the time and aint dding anyway.

[kingfury]

what is this limitation of weaponskills you speak of. To me warrior has access to very many WS as is. And lets be honest here, WARs excel at GA this day in time. Sure they are good with the Axe but still gonna favor the GAxe. They even do good with the sword, dual wield wars with off hand Ridill main hand axe or sword spamming rampage or vorpals were pretty nice as well in those ToAU merit parties but even then wars using polearm spamming penta thrust were pretty nasty. So lets look at this ok you dont get dancing edge you dont get asuran fists, when would you seriously ever utilize these anyway even if you did have them? You could say well i'm fighting piercing mobs so DE go go, but even then i'd bet you would do better with penta thrust which you already have. Well i'm fighting pots or bones and need blunt dmg, even then i dont think asuran fists would fare you much and would probably be better to just stick with a GA. In essence if you think about it ok you want this things but probably wouldn't come into very main practical situations to use them anyway.
Using whm and hexa was kind of a bad example cause your comparing a mage that stands in the back line majority of the time and aint dding anyway.

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Hey man,
Dagger comes to mind 1st, H2H, and then polearm and scythe next. There's a few more, but lets just start with those. A WARs dagger ws list is just depressing lol! Yet the dmg I've personally pulled off with Evisceration both outside and inside Abyssea is on par(if not more) with a THF and a DNC. I've done nicely with all the other classes listed above, but there's no telling what limits a WAR could go with them due to the limited ws's WAR has access to in these classes.
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You're post pretty much answers your question for me ^^ Aside from WAR having access to a powerhouse weapon like GA and Axe, a WAR can choose all those different great weapons based on whatever situation constitutes them exercising the SE-given choice to do so That's the foundation of my entire basis for posting this proposed JA. That's WAR's unique gift, variety. Who's to say what the potential possibilities would be if we had more ws's until WARs got the chance to get out and master those ws? In my opinion, only a WAR that has mastered the ws's in their possession currently would be able to truly accurately speculate the possibilities. Not saying I'm a master of all just yet, but of the things I've seen possible with WAR over the years, I personally say the possibilities would be endless. We don't even know what's in store for WAR at lvl 99 yet lol... well we do know there'll be higher combat skills at least ^^
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Nah, my reasons for cross referencing WHM's ws list to that of a WARs was to diffuse the many expressed fears that WAR having too much ws access would rob jobs of their uniqueness. Further back in the thread, I referenced PLD the same way. My point was that most standard ws's don't define a job's uniqueness, but rather Job abilities and Special high lvl Job specific ws's do. Even if other jobs got access to as many weapons as WAR has access to, WAR would still have the JA's to outclass them while using those weapons. No other job would be able to steal WARs thunder or uniqueness because of it's job abilities. Thus validating what makes them unique over all other DD's and jobs in FFXI.
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Thanks for the feedback /

[Superchicken]

so yes war has the uniqueness of some JA's that other jobs will never be able to use, so ok well thf and dancer have the uniqueness of being able to using dancing edge yet you want to be able to use that on WAR. Darks and PLDs have the uniqueness of spinning slash yet you want to be able to use that on WAR. MNKs have a uniqueness of asuran fists but you want WAR to be able to do that. Do you see my point here. Your statement says WAR has the uniquenesss of some job abilities that makes them a powerhouse that no other job will ever see, but yet you want to take the WS that are unique to other jobs and make war be able to use them.

[BlackWhirlwind]

I wouldnt mind having access to Spinning Slash and Guilitoine on war since were more 2handed weapon dominate

[kingfury]

>< lol nah, you got it mixed up a bit.
Dancing Edge, Asuran Fist, Spinning slash are just ws's like all ws's WAR currently have such as Evisceration. These ws's do not make those other jobs unique, they're just ws that those jobs can use. They're more appropriately termed "exclusive" rather than "unique". If a WAR got access to those ws's tomorrow, the jobs u listed wouldn't lose any uniqueness whatsoever.
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What I said in the previous post that you may have over looked is that a WAR will never be like a MNK just because he can use Asuran Fist, and a MNK would never lose it's originality/uniqeness should it ever be allowed. A MNK has JA's that distinguish it from every other job in FFXI, the same with THF, DRK, and PLD. Then there's the high lvl job specific ws's that take large amounts of work to unlock/wield for every job in the game such as Relic, Mythic and Emp. ws. Those are the truly "unique" ws's along with JA's that would keep ALL of their uniqueness perfectly safe.
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Again, I'm not saying that WAR should get EVERY ws that these jobs have, just the standard ones that simply require the appropriate skill lvls. That's all. Does that clear things up a bit?

[kingfury]

I wouldnt mind having access to Spinning Slash and Guilitoine on war since were more 2handed weapon dominate

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Iknowright?! lol ^^

[Superchicken]

well my bard has well over 200 dagger skill so i should be able to use dancing edge then right? You say yes, i say no, matter of opinion to each its own. Oh but i'm not a "master of all weapons" like war so i shouldn't be able to use it, well my dagger skill is my main weapon skill as bard so then i'm a master of the dagger in that sense so i should be able to use it! Again i say "The game is working as intended" Just cause you have the skill doesn't mean you should necessarily be able to use it imo. Yes wars are the "master of weapons" which goes with how they have higher skill in more weapon areas than any other job, they are not the "master of weaponskills" which is basically waht your are asking for in a sense minus the relic, empyrean, mythic ws's.

So you need to change your title of the post to really go along with what your are asking. Mastery of Weaponry you already are, but your calling it this and asking to be a Master of Weaponskills

[kingfury]

lol At least you understand where I'm coming from!
I respect your opinion if you feel that it shouldn't be so. I personally believe if you have the skill lvl for the ws(unless it's of the super unique, hard to get, job specific kind that is), you should be able to use the ws but that's me and my opinion.
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"Mastery of Weaponry you already are, but your calling it this and asking to be a Master of Weaponskills"
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I'd say tomato/tomato(to-mah-to) to this lol but maybe you're right! In my mind, the term "Mastery" means you understand something completely on all ends of the subject matter. Like how giving a Job Trait called "Shield Mastery" to a PLD makes perfect sense, since PLDs are basically born with a shield attached to their off hand lol. With that concept in mind, as we are currently, WARs can't truly call themselves "Masters" of Weaponry just yet unless we get some serious access to the ws's related to our arsenal Until that day comes, terms like "Adept" and "Jack of all Trades" suits us far more appropriately.

[Superchicken]

warrior and red mage also get sheild mastery though =) !!! but a job like BST that will utulize a shield more than a warrior doesn't, instead they get fencer. Not everything in the game makes sense or makes sense to what we want it but nothings perfect right! I enjoyed this debate! hope you did too! /cheers but i think what you are asking for will never happen, but never hurts to ask right!

[kingfury]

Yours is the 1st debate so far that I can actually say I've enjoyed lol, so thanks for the opportunity /cheers
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You're absolutely right about the asking thing ^^ I can only hope they've read my arguments and realistically consider the possibilities. I'm sure if the miracle of them actually considering implementing this JA ever happens, they would heavily consider every way to make it the fairest JA to all of FFXI while blessing WARs further. So here's to hoping for the best! /laterz