Cure V

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Okay, here's the plan.

If RDM gets Cure V, then RDM gets Tier 5 Nukes (along with new debuffs, of course), and Manifestation Nukes are SCH Main Job only. That is the only way I will accept seeing RDM get Cure V.

WHM and BLM will still have the stronger nukes and cures anyway because of their supplemental abilities and job traits.

Cure V and tier V nukes are not the same. Tier V nukes are comparable to Cure VI.

[Quetzacoatl]

Cure V and tier V nukes are not the same. Tier V nukes are comparable to Cure VI.

Wait what? Feel free to laugh at me because I don't give a damn if you do, but do you mean -aja nukes aren't the equivalent of Cure VI and Curagas already? >_>

[Siiri]

Wait what? Feel free to laugh at me because I don't give a damn if you do, but do you mean Tier 2 Ancient Magic isn't the equivalent of Cure VI already? >_>

You mean they are both junk? I guess from that sense that is correct. Scholar too me is more the worry than red mage for Cure V. I would probably be ok with Red Mage having cure 5, mainly because having both red mage and white mage I know what a weak group healer red mage is. It's horrible to heal AOE damage on Red Mage. Scholar is right on the cusp of being overpowered though, always has been. If scholar had T5 nukes taken from them I would support them getting Cure 5, but not as is. Therein lies another problem, once a spell is given, it won't be taken away. Why SE is hesitating on giving Cure 5 out.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Wait what? Feel free to laugh at me because I don't give a damn if you do, but do you mean -aja nukes aren't the equivalent of Cure VI and Curagas already? >_>

Use your loaf.

Numbers aside in terms of how they work and how they've been placed.

Cure = (no nuke)
Cure II = (nuke tier I)
Cure III = (nuke tier II)
Cure IV = (nuke tier III)
Cure V = (nuke tier IV)
Cure VI = (nuke tier V)

[Quetzacoatl]

Use your loaf.

Numbers aside in terms of how they work and how they've been placed.

Cure = (no nuke)
Cure II = (nuke tier I)
Cure III = (nuke tier II)
Cure IV = (nuke tier III)
Cure V = (nuke tier IV)
Cure VI = (nuke tier V)

Sure, from a listing standpoint.

Do Healing-to-Damage though, and it should look like this:

Cure = (nuke tier 1)
Cure II = (nuke tier II)
Cure III = (nuke tier III)
Cure IV = (nuke tier IV)
Cure V = (nuke tier V)
Cure VI = Comet

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Sure, from a listing standpoint.

Do Healing-to-Damage though, and it should look like this:

Cure = (nuke tier 1)
Cure II = (nuke tier II)
Cure III = (nuke tier III)
Cure IV = (nuke tier IV)
Cure V = (nuke tier V)
Cure VI = Comet

It's not really though, tier I nukes are stronger than Cure by quite a bit.

[Quetzacoatl]

It's not really though, tier I nukes are stronger than Cure by quite a bit.

Yes, tier 1's are stronger than cure. But when comparing the enemy's HP to yours, it should make sense looking at it that way, I hope.

Either way, before this gets into headache territory, I'm only saying that I'm not going to accept RDM getting Cure 5 without getting something else that keeps it from being a secondary solo white mage.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yes, tier 1's are stronger than cure. But when comparing the enemy's HP to yours, it should make sense looking at it that way, I hope.

This doesn't reduce the fact that Cure IV is still not enough, not unless they want to increase the soft-cap.

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I actually don't think RDM nuking is that bad, it's come quite a long way recently.

OFF TOPIC: Has anyone checked if RDM got MDB III this update, they should have to fall in like with MAB III at 90, I wouldn't know how to check it.