SE, Temper Activation Rate

[Duelle]

Expecting it to enhance our mage side is like asking for Cure IV / Thunder IV to enhance our melee side, not really gonna happen.

Job Traits

Art of Combat: Your melee swings have a 30% chance to grant you Art of Combat, which makes your next Cure I-IV or Elemental Nuke I-IV instant cast.

>.>;

I look at Temper the same way, 5% at some level, then going up with each tier after that. Knowing SE they'll just reuse the Gain-Stat formula but impose a 10/15/20 limit on the stat, which is perfectly fine with me.

I agree that we should wait until we see the further implementation of scaling with Enhancing Magic. At the same time, I still think Temper would carry more weight from a playstyle perspective if it came into play earlier than lv95.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

*tap-out*
I'm done this is giving me a head ache, the idea of RDM DD is vomit inducing honestly. SE needs to just stick with their guns and make the job a buffer and a debuffer, because it won't compete with BLU. So why bother. TBH, Temper should of gone to BLU if it was going to be a self-cast only that can't bee Accessioned out... Talk about such a waste, I mean at least if it went to BLU it would oh.... idk.... actually get used lol. Seeing as we have a god amount of double attack gear for being a hybrid job.

Good, then go away...

Please note: It is a hybrid Black Mage / White Mage. If you were supposed to be on the front line, you would already be there. You would natively get good WS for your primary weapon, etc.

Correction: SCH is the WHM/BLM hybrid. RDM is supposed to be the WHM/BLM/WAR hybrid.

[cidbahamut]

Correction: SCH is the WHM/BLM hybrid. RDM is supposed to be the WHM/BLM/WAR hybrid.

On paper only.

Scholar is more of an either/or job and unlike RDM cannot cover everything at once on short notice.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

On paper only.

Scholar is more of an either/or job and unlike RDM cannot cover everything at once on short notice.

I know! Just saying it's tiring hearing people try to claim otherwise.

Yes, SqureEnix haven't done it very well on the melee front where the magic side is a lot better, but it doesn't change what the job RDM actually is. Whether it's played like that or otherwise.

[Rayik]

Wow, the biggest babies in this thread crying aren't even RDM's in the first place. Cry us a freakin' river.

RDM melee is not about "competing with War or MNK." That was never the point. If anyone honestly thought that was the idea behind RDM melee, you're about a mile off the mark. Get out of our threads.

RDM melee is about strengthening one aspect of a hybrid job. The extra damage is supplemental, and will never "compete" with what a WAR or MNK does.

And a BLU(Scuro) wanting Temper instead of us getting it? No coincidence that same player has a BLU themed sig. Wow. AoE CW burning armies of mobs at a time and you still want more?

I welcome Temper, and look forward to adding it to RDM's toolbox of versatility.

[Cursed]

Oh look, another person that doesn't even have the job leveled complaining about it...

I don't think anyone is expecting Rdm to beat Mnk and War on the front lines, but it'd be nice to at least not need an emp WS weapon to beat a non emp WS Brd or Whm...

Look, another person who has never heard of people having more than 1 toon.

[Rayik]

Look, another person who has never heard of people having more than 1 toon.

Maybe it's my ignorance, but do other jobs get talked down to so much about what we should or shouldn't be allowed to do? If a WAR winds up tanking in a pt, does he get screamed at? If a PLD helps cure other players in a pt, do they get screamed at by non-PLD's?

Really, this is a RDM discussion in the RDM forums. If you can't see what's wrong with the job in the current state of the game, why are you here? I seriously lol at the "ur job is fine, lulz" comments. Like the game is supposed to suddenly stop evolving.

[Shiyo]

Yay your melee gets buffed, TOO BAD YOU WILL NEVER MELEE ANYTHING WORTHWHILE IN THE GAME?

Guys, let's buff paladin nukes! It's one aspect of the job we're buffing, who cares if the job is weak and hurting right now? We have a 400 page thread DEMANDING nuke buffs for PLD! We want to nuke as paladin! I refuse to play BLM or SCH! I play PLD to nuke

See how dumb you look now?

[cidbahamut]

Shush you.

[Bubeeky]

It saddens me that rdm doesn't get to melee in pt's....rdm was one of my more favorite jobs in previous FF games because they had insane damage capacity with dual swords (FF3) meanwhile having both white and black magic up to mid-level. During my early years on this game and even up to today, I've had several rdm friends, really good ones too, and whenever we'd duo, they would do so well melee-wise, but when we'd do events, all that would be meaningless...I hope Temper is SE's attempt to begin giving rdm some melee love