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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuro View Post
    yes obviously RDM is not a good buffer, and that is why things like Temper should have been focused on a party rather then just a self cast that cannot be accesioned.... I'm not saying the buffs you have now make you a great buffer class, obviously not, but what they could introduce would be fantastic, magic attack boost spell, quick magic spell, etc. I mean the list can be endless, and yes I am one of those that is sticking to the manifesto, and feel that RDMs should receive great buffs and debuffs. SE needs to stop wasting its time with DD, (and hell with some of the buffs, like temper, which should of been at least accesionable, it can still boost RDM DD enough to keep the DD RDM quiet) and focus on what it had established as a focus for the class, buffing, and debuffing for the better good of a party.
    That's asinine. Of course Red Mage isn't a good buffer, it's not even one to begin with. A Red Mage is designed to cripple foes with enfeebling magic(where the focus should be) and to enhance it's martial skill through their magic(where we've been sorely lacking). Temper is exactly the way it should be. If you want a party wide Double Attack go ask a Corsair or a Summoner for it.
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    Last edited by Stylin; 09-04-2011 at 06:10 AM. Reason: an errant ]

  2. #182
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    As bad as Rdm is in context to pure DDs calling it trash and that we should melee on Blu instead which is roughly 5% better at TP/WS damage... makes sense to you? You're pretty much calling Blu melee (ignoring spells/self SC) trash then...
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  3. #183
    Player Sekundes's Avatar
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    BLU Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz View Post
    As bad as Rdm is in context to pure DDs calling it trash and that we should melee on Blu instead which is roughly 5% better at TP/WS damage... makes sense to you? You're pretty much calling Blu melee (ignoring spells/self SC) trash then...
    5%? Where did that number come from? I have what I think to be pretty good melee gear and ws gear for blu and rdm and I couldn't see rdm getting that close.
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  4. #184
    Player Shiyo's Avatar
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    NIN Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Sekundes View Post
    5%? Where did that number come from? I have what I think to be pretty good melee gear and ws gear for blu and rdm and I couldn't see rdm getting that close.
    They probably don't know that a bluemage can do more than just autoattack and WS.
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  5. #185
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    Kine's sheets adjusted for both jobs, the difference is 5% in TP/WS damage, of course Blu is going to pull ahead in overall damage. I see no problem with this.
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  6. #186
    Player Sekundes's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    They probably don't know that a bluemage can do more than just autoattack and WS.
    That's exactly what I'm talking about nothing but meleeing and ws. Just not seeing how rdm can keep up particularly on anything with high eva. Rdm's melee gear and ws gear selections are not nearly as good.
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  7. #187
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    Looking at the other enhancements they added to JA/Spells from feedback, this should get a SUBSTANTIAL boost. This ability should ONLY have gotten +5% if it was castable on others. But since it's castable only on RDMs, and RDM's have such weak melee potential, it should be set somewhere around 15-20%. Would 15-20% Double Attack be so overpowered on a RDM when unless we have Almace our best WS is Savage Blade without /BLU, /DRK, /WAR? We wouldn't even sub those anyway since we need /NIN when we melee usually anyway for more DoT.


    While we're at it, add to Composure the ability to use Exclusive sword Weapon Skills; Red Lotus Blade/Vorpal Blade/Seraph Blade/Sanguine Blade
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  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekundes View Post
    That's exactly what I'm talking about nothing but meleeing and ws. Just not seeing how rdm can keep up particularly on anything with high eva. Rdm's melee gear and ws gear selections are not nearly as good.
    I mentioned that in my posts anyway. Otherwise it's a semantics issue since she said Rdm melee is trash when looking at just melee damage, Rdm isn't -that- (and I use this tentatively here) behind Blu considering just melee damage. CA/Efflux/Self SC and yes BLU is obviously going to pull farther ahead, and to me, that's okay.
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    Last edited by Neisan_Quetz; 09-04-2011 at 08:25 AM.

  9. #189
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    And bluemage is nowhere near war or SAM(outside) when it comes to real DD on harder mobs. Cure the war and sam, haste the war and sam, and put your sword away.
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  10. #190
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    I never once said I melee in parties that aren't completely lol in the first place, don't put words in my mouth.
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