Idiocy

[Korpg]

My cure 4's on sch are like 480ish and my cure gear sucks terribly.

I agree that outside abyssea the amount cured isn't the biggest issue.

Wow, mine are about 600 HP inside Abyssea (forget outside, I very rarely go as WHM anymore) and I only have 15 items for WHM. No gear swaps at all, just cure potency and MND+. My healing magic skill is way under cap too (level 70~ for a WHM).

[Olor]

Not really, you just stand there while waiting for the proc(s), then after the proc(s) you zerg it down.

If anything, you are just a placeholder for pop items.

Yes, exactly. This is what I am saying.

So an ability which allows my uber expensive ladybug (which I am never allowed to melee with anyway except to put TH on) to "rage" and then disappear doesn't sound very useful to me.

[SpankWustler]

I promise -the only invites I've ever gotten to parties doing anything worthwhile as a bst is as ghetto treasure hunter when no THF was to be found. No one invites you on a seal run for damage. No one invites you to a big nm for damage. It is procs, heals, TH or go home.

While true enough, this doesn't sound like it relates to the new Beast Master job ability so much as FFXI and Abyssea in general.

Would you care to meet the 5,000 other people who play melee jobs and have complained about similar issues?

The solution boils down to "Do things in a circle of friends that doesn't mind one or two folks being on a job just to smack things." Not "Pretend you're surgically grafted to a ladybug." Pick-up groups have always been awful in every conceivable way, and FFXI should not be designed around them.

[Olor]

While true enough, this doesn't sound like it relates to the new Beast Master job ability so much as FFXI and Abyssea in general.

Would you care to meet the 5,000 other people who play melee jobs and have complained about similar issues?

The solution boils down to "Do things in a circle of friends that doesn't mind one or two folks being on a job just to smack things." Not "Pretend you're surgically grafted to a ladybug." Pick-up groups have always been awful in every conceivable way, and FFXI should not be designed around them.

Sure, but I don't think it helps for players not to raise these balance issues.

When development time is spent making an ability which at best, I won't use because it is too expensive instead of something which will make the job I like playing worth having along (not just out of pity/friendship) in a serious party - I feel like it is worthwhile to raise concerns.

[Ank]

Wow, mine are about 600 HP inside Abyssea (forget outside, I very rarely go as WHM anymore) and I only have 15 items for WHM. No gear swaps at all, just cure potency and MND+. My healing magic skill is way under cap too (level 70~ for a WHM).

Yeah but I've only got like a light staff and serpentes, too lazy to check atm. I don't really like curing on sch so been putting off surya's and obi.

700something with rapture which isn't too bad I guess, but doesn't compare to my friends whm I leveled and geared poorly lol.

[Leonlionheart]

Yes, exactly. This is what I am saying.

So an ability which allows my uber expensive ladybug (which I am never allowed to melee with anyway except to put TH on) to "rage" and then disappear doesn't sound very useful to me.

Maybe you don't understand what Zerg means

[Olor]

Maybe you don't understand what Zerg means

And what percentage of worthwhile content is done via zerg now? Cause I haven't seen any of it. Or are you suggesting I waste my ladybug to kill that procced NM 1 second faster?

Also, if you think this new JA is going to be so good - do you think it will make someone invite BST over a WAR? Will you be switching to BST because of this AWESOME NEW ABILITY?

[SpankWustler]

Sure, but I don't think it helps for players not to raise these balance issues.

When development time is spent making an ability which at best, I won't use because it is too expensive instead of something which will make the job I like playing worth having along (not just out of pity/friendship) in a serious party - I feel like it is worthwhile to raise concerns.

What if this new ability were viewed in the context of VoidWatch rather than Abyssea, though? Or some types of older content where Treasure Hunter and procs are both irrelevant? Or just with the assumption a Thief is present?

I don't think you're misjudging what the ability will do, given the scope is narrowed to "What will it do for Olorinus in Abyssea?" It's an ability rather than a trait, so I think it's important to keep in mind that using it is a choice and it doesn't have to be ideal for everything.

[Korpg]

And what percentage of worthwhile content is done via zerg now? Cause I haven't seen any of it. Or are you suggesting I waste my ladybug to kill that procced NM 1 second faster?

Also, if you think this new JA is going to be so good - do you think it will make someone invite BST over a WAR? Will you be switching to BST because of this AWESOME NEW ABILITY?

I don't think this was intended to be a job ability to invite BSTs for. I think this was a job ability to go "oh shi, Call Beast timer isn't up and my pet is about to die, and the NM is almost dead but it will rape me if I try to tank it." Which I'm sure it happens enough times to warrant this job ability. It could also be that this job ability will make soloing much faster, both inside and outside of Abyssea. Yeah, its costly, but since when has BST ever been a cheap job to level?

[Olor]

I don't think this was intended to be a job ability to invite BSTs for. I think this was a job ability to go "oh shi, Call Beast timer isn't up and my pet is about to die, and the NM is almost dead but it will rape me if I try to tank it." Which I'm sure it happens enough times to warrant this job ability. It could also be that this job ability will make soloing much faster, both inside and outside of Abyssea. Yeah, its costly, but since when has BST ever been a cheap job to level?

Okay, this is a good post.

I agree it could come in handy like that.

I guess I was just hoping when they said they were going to make BST something people would invite to a group that, you know, they would actually do it. Getting nothing but some more jugs (where is the love for charm) and an "oh shi-" ability is pretty dissapointing - especially seeing blm, which already has no trouble getting invites and is, frankly, kind of overpowered - get a whole swathe of new spells.