Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Korpg]

In seriousness though if I had all the armor i had in my sig my ass would be up and down mobs 24/7, if i died, oh well, Exp is Exp, easier to come by than anything else in this game. Then again I'm a melee nutt :X.

I know my situations though, and i know my potential.

I'm working on a Hver just because i wanna toy with it, See its true potential, I'll even post my results too, I bet some people might be surprised. Just like the recent RDM Melee parse, sometimes a job can surprise you, the RDM wasn't super, but they did do better than expected.

Can I join you with my Ukon so we can have a real Ukon vs Hver parse?

[Karbuncle]

Can I join you with my Ukon so we can have a real Ukon vs Hver parse?

By all means, I want a true test!

I'm curious in two things

1) My % of Damage vs my pets

2) My combined % Vs a Heavy Melee DD.

These are very important factors, For instance, If my Dmg is only 25% of yours combined with pet, it may look bad, But if i do 50% more damage than my pet (i.e my pet does 10%, i do 15%) then My melee actually added significantly more damage than i would have got not meleeing.

I'm really curious in 1), I know 2) won't be very close, But im really curious just how much more damage i would add meleeing than i would get if i did not. I already know our Staff hits can do more than our pets hits, and I know we as SMN get bonuses from haste/etc, so we already come out heavy in the DPS department over our pets.

its the WS damage I'm worried about, but with 2x Procs i think it might level out in the end, I expect to do at least 100% or more of my pets total damage, which would effectively double my damage output vs not meleeing.

Either Way, I don't actually doubt what dallas is saying, he may be exaggerating a little, but i think this parse might surprise people more than you think, and i feel the most important factor is going to be my % vs my Avatars.

[Korpg]

By all means, I want a true test!

I'm curious in two things

1) My % of Damage vs my pets

2) My combined % Vs a Heavy Melee DD.

These are very important factors, For instance, If my Dmg is only 25% of yours combined with pet, it may look bad, But if i do 50% more damage than my pet (i.e my pet does 10%, i do 15%) then My melee actually added significantly more damage than i would have got not meleeing.

I'm really curious in 1), I know 2) won't be very close, But im really curious just how much more damage i would add meleeing than i would get if i did not. I already know our Staff hits can do more than our pets hits, and I know we as SMN get bonuses from haste/etc, so we already come out heavy in the DPS department over our pets.

its the WS damage I'm worried about, but with 2x Procs i think it might level out in the end, I expect to do at least 100% or more of my pets total damage, which would effectively double my damage output vs not meleeing.

Either Way, I don't actually doubt what dallas is saying, he may be exaggerating a little, but i think this parse might surprise people more than you think, and i feel the most important factor is going to be my % vs my Avatars.

Well, you also have to figure that the lower the % of total DPS between the two of us, the better the chance you would do multiple times more damage.

But I don't think that Emp Staff would be anywhere near as useful as any other emp weapon. Which is the whole point of TP feeding the mob.

[Karbuncle]

I don't know, TP Feeding a mob isn't really a big problem unless you're fighting something particularly dangerous, very few of those types of mobs exist these days, In fact i can only really name a handful.

Still, Empyrean Staff is the only one that uses Sedna/Kukulkan Items if i remember right, So not like its wasting anything. Only problem will be 90 where its on the same trial as Shield. still, Hver90 is D:98, DPS of 1508, Only 160DPS behind Ukon90. So its got a pretty solid ground there.

I don't expect it to come very close, But I suspect the damage output might surprise you, and i definitely think, at least in Abyssea, it will do enough to be "Worth the TP Feed" on a lot of mobs.

Now on things like apademak or something.... different case.

But i truly think the damage is going to shock a few people, and i especially think I will do better numbers than my Avatar in the long run.

[SpankWustler]

That would be really interesting to see. So much about mage melee tends to be based on a mixture of theory-craft and vitriol, from both sides, so it's always good to see numbers from actual situations. If nothing else, people would have the minutia of a parse to throw conniption fits over and that would be a refreshing change of pace.

[Karbuncle]

I think the RDM melee parse was a good step in the direction of knowledge over hear-say.

I think a SMN melee parse would be good info, I just want to make sure i have the best gear for the situation when it comes down to it. So it might take me a while, but i'll hold true to my word and get the weapon.

[Razushu]

I think the RDM melee parse was a good step in the direction of knowledge over hear-say.

I think a SMN melee parse would be good info, I just want to make sure i have the best gear for the situation when it comes down to it. So it might take me a while, but i'll hold true to my word and get the weapon.

Good luck! Karb. Are you going to do the parse inside or outside Abyssea? Or both?

[Karbuncle]

Good luck! Karb. Are you going to do the parse inside or outside Abyssea? Or both?

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

[Korpg]

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

We could do both. Lets talk about it when you get online.

[Razushu]

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

In Abyssea it wouldn't really prove much(imo), with atmas any job can melee fine as is, and stuff like cruor buffs would atleast skew the SMN vs. Avatar test. Can't think of where to go off the top of my head the GoV/mob placement update added lots of Ts to old areas though so I'm sure theres at least one place you could test.