Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Sasaraixx]

SE is clearly obsessed with scholar right now. No other jobs have gotten the attention they did. They won't be happy until scholar is overpowered and obsoletes black mage, like most of the scholars want and continually post about.

You keep thinking that. You're wrong, but that doesn't seem to bother you. The paranoia is really not necessary.

[Greatguardian]

Considering Scholar is arguably one of the least useful and fundamentally flawed jobs in the entire game right now, I dare say the attention is warranted. And I don't even have Scholar leveled outside of Subjob level =/.

There isn't a single mage class in the game that has to worry about being "outshined" by Scholar. Not White Mage, not Black Mage, and certainly not Red Mage. Get over it.

Inb4 crying about Drk, Smn, Bst, Pup, Smn, and Smn etc

[Dallas]

Inb4 crying about Drk, Smn, Bst, Pup, Smn, and Smn etc

That never happens in the presence of SCH. I'm sure even Mala feels bad for SCH.

[Megusta]

Am i the only one that noticied that merton inflicts bind? i mean take a real good look at the scorpion, in those 2 ticks of dot that hes taking to die he justs stands there, im pretty sure that merton indeed inflicts bind and as of now is the most awesome spell ever

[Francisco]

Am i the only one that noticied that merton inflicts bind? i mean take a real good look at the scorpion, in those 2 ticks of dot that hes taking to die he justs stands there, im pretty sure that merton indeed inflicts bind and as of now is the most awesome spell ever

Didn't notice that... could also be Sleep (Nightmare type), Stun, Petrify or Terror (despite it not freezing...)

It's also possible they just disabled the mob from moving for presentation purposes.

[Megusta]

Didn't notice that... could also be Sleep (Nightmare type), Stun, Petrify or Terror (despite it not freezing...)

It's also possible they just disabled the mob from moving for presentation purposes.

they might have disabled moving but its highly unlikely i guess, also cant be any other of those status effects you stated as they prevent the mob from turning around to chase you, and as you can see the scorpion do turn around to attack the character after taking the spell damage, also you see that the spell is the first action performed on the mob, so they didnt do anything to it previously i guess (and even if they somehow locked its moviment with some spell/ability it should have broken as soon as metron hited the scorpion anyway,altough as you said they could have locked it with some special gm command).

This is probably the best crowd control spell ever if it indeeds do all that heavy damage and still lock the mobs down so they dont smack you in the face the only 2 things i want to know about this now is if it indeed binds and how long the DOT stay on the target, only nms tough i guess would survive for full effect lol( oh and maybe how the dot damage works if its helix like (more initial damage more dot) or a fixed value).

[Malamasala]

Considering Scholar is arguably one of the least useful and fundamentally flawed jobs in the entire game right now, I dare say the attention is warranted. And I don't even have Scholar leveled outside of Subjob level =/.

There isn't a single mage class in the game that has to worry about being "outshined" by Scholar. Not White Mage, not Black Mage, and certainly not Red Mage. Get over it.

Inb4 crying about Drk, Smn, Bst, Pup, Smn, and Smn etc

Depends on what you intend on shining about. SCH, RDM, WHM all already outshine SMN for stoneskin. SCH, RDM outshine SMN for phalanx or spikes spells. And according to the movie it seems like SCH will outshine SMN for using 2 hour chests and kill a huge group of monsters in Abyssea.

Not really zomg SMN is dieing material, but there clearly is a balance issue around. If SE were to make Odin kill ALL mobs in range it would be less unbalanced, but hey SE thinks it is balance to restrict killing 1-4 mobs at once for SMN while SCH is allowed to kill 10.

It also seems silly that SCH gets some kind of 200 HP DoT while slept effect, and SMN had their 25 HP DoT sleep nerfed to 1 HP DoT.

Of course, I don't think this is in any way too good for SCH. It is fine, it is just SMN that needs a whole update for itself to fix how far behind it is.

[Megusta]

i agree with you there smn do need some kind of buff (aways did anyway),but i think this new spell should do around 1k dot its pretty overpower lol, if you take into acount that they are killing normal abyssea mobs (witch have around 5-6k hp) the initial damage alone did about 80%-90% of the scorpion health so it would have been around 3-4k initial damage and assuming the monster died in pretty much 2 ticks from dot, i highly doubt that its only 200 hp. i might be wrong on that one but its just my guess anyway its pretty overpower but since its limited to 2hrs it kinda feels right i dunno lol

[Horadrim]

Considering Scholar is arguably one of the least useful and fundamentally flawed jobs in the entire game right now, I dare say the attention is warranted. And I don't even have Scholar leveled outside of Subjob level =/.

There isn't a single mage class in the game that has to worry about being "outshined" by Scholar. Not White Mage, not Black Mage, and certainly not Red Mage. Get over it.

Inb4 crying about Drk, Smn, Bst, Pup, Smn, and Smn etc

The only job in worse condition than SCH is PUP, but even PUP has the luxury of having something unique to offer. (Even if it requires you to make some weird and frustrating choices).

SCH is in miserable condition. As a side note, SCH and PUP were my two main jobs pre-Abyssea.

You know what? I'll be that guy who complains about Merton.

I made a thread already, but I'll post it here as well because this should be addressed.

There are some striking similarities to what this spell does and what the Summoner 2-hour Odin does. Both are able to hit a large amount of enemies and both are capable of doing incredibly large amounts of damage. That's where the similarities end. While this spell seems to be able to take out 10 mobs out of 11. That's some pretty amazing accuracy. Odin? Odin's lucky if we can hit 5.

It's fine and all to give SCH some more tools. SCH needs something to set it apart from the other mage jobs. But if you are going to give SCH something that is almost exactly the same as Odin, why not allow us SMN to have the same accuracy? I highly doubt the SCH has to use all of their MP to do that attack. SMN does, and they get roughly half the effect.

Odin is a joke. Please throw us a bone here. At least be fair about it. And please don't give me flack that "The SCH spell doesn't kill mobs, it only damages them, while Odin can flat out kill mobs." If it misses more than it bloody hits, then it's not even worth it. An all or nothing attack that more often than not does nothing is worthless. At least make the % to hit chance based on SMN skill or something. Come on.

Give a man a free cupcake and he'll complain that you didn't use the right sprinkles...

You're complaining about the bonus Avatars that you probably wouldn't have gotten say for whining about wanting more... You have 9 other Avatars who all have tons of mileage and use, and you're complaining about a single ruffled feather in your beret. Let's forget the fact that you're also getting two more avatars...

i agree with you there smn do need some kind of buff (aways did anyway),but i think this new spell should do around 1k dot its pretty overpower lol, if you take into acount that they are killing normal abyssea mobs (witch have around 5-6k hp) the initial damage alone did about 80%-90% of the scorpion health so it would have been around 3-4k initial damage and assuming the monster died in pretty much 2 ticks from dot, i highly doubt that its only 200 hp. i might be wrong on that one but its just my guess anyway its pretty overpower but since its limited to 2hrs it kinda feels right i dunno lol

Take into account that character is wearing 100% of the best gear for SCH, and the fact that a BLM in the same position could probably one shot that same mob...?

No, I don't think its overpowered at all...

[Megusta]

Take into account that character is wearing 100% of the best gear for SCH, and the fact that a BLM in the same position could probably one shot that same mob...?

No, I don't think its overpowered at all...

well while i think its indeed not wearing the best gear also but anyway , besides that you seem to be forgeting 2 key points of this spell, first one being the duration of the dot effect and secound one the fact that this can be AOEd, say the dot run in the normal tick sequence not the extended helix one, this would make a this spell do about 14k damage in 30 secounds AOE while applying bind to all mobs in range, meaning its a completely free 14k damage that can be used to kill a huge crowd of enemies safely, if it turns out to stay on for one whole minute would be a 24k damage spell. Dont get me wrong i think its an awesome spell that pretty much nets what SE originaly intended to do with helix spells, that is make sch a DOT beast, and the fact that it gives this huge damage might be worth to use in some zerg fights and against powerfull HNMs as well,this makes me very happy if square leave the spell like that its limited by 2hrs use anyway (and probably by lvl) so i dont see a huge issue here but you got to admit its pretty strong and makes you wonder two things , How powerfull will meteor be , and what kind of end game SE has in mind once we reach 99 + merit revamp.