Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Razushu]

I think the RDM melee parse was a good step in the direction of knowledge over hear-say.

I think a SMN melee parse would be good info, I just want to make sure i have the best gear for the situation when it comes down to it. So it might take me a while, but i'll hold true to my word and get the weapon.

Good luck! Karb. Are you going to do the parse inside or outside Abyssea? Or both?

[Karbuncle]

Good luck! Karb. Are you going to do the parse inside or outside Abyssea? Or both?

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

[Korpg]

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

We could do both. Lets talk about it when you get online.

[Razushu]

I'd be willing to do both, But I'd like to try Inside abyssea, its where i feel the job is best meleeing.

Outside IDK where i'd go or what mobs to fight.

In Abyssea it wouldn't really prove much(imo), with atmas any job can melee fine as is, and stuff like cruor buffs would atleast skew the SMN vs. Avatar test. Can't think of where to go off the top of my head the GoV/mob placement update added lots of Ts to old areas though so I'm sure theres at least one place you could test.

[Karbuncle]

In Abyssea it wouldn't really prove much(imo), with atmas any job can melee fine as is, and stuff like cruor buffs would atleast skew the SMN vs. Avatar test. Can't think of where to go off the top of my head the GoV/mob placement update added lots of Ts to old areas though so I'm sure theres at least one place you could test.

Well i had always believed SMN Melee held its best spotlight In abyssea, testing it outside would go against my current beliefs of its uses. However, I'd be willing to try the ~T mobs in GoV Areas... That may require outside assistance (like, a WHM lol, maybe a real tank).

still would not be against the idea.

[Razushu]

Well i had always believed SMN Melee held its best spotlight In abyssea, testing it outside would go against my current beliefs of its uses. However, I'd be willing to try the ~T mobs in GoV Areas... That may require outside assistance (like, a WHM lol, maybe a real tank).

still would not be against the idea.

Well as a test of mage melee at it's best, an Abyssean run is fine.

But you said you wanted to test SMN vs. a Heavy DD, which Abyssea would make a poor test ground. As you will be looking for a mathematical comparison of the two.

Atmas and Cruor buffs will turn EMs~Ts into EPs~DCs for all intents and purposes, which anything can swing a weapon at. These buffs, I feel would also alter the difference between the SMN and the WAR.

The following is a hypothetical example and is not based on real or believed values:

If on a T++ the WAR with it's best gear is close to capping ACC(say 92%), and the SMN is a bit away from cap(80%) in it's best available gear, these numbers are obvisiously just an example(for any who are looking to argue). Now lets say both are using Atma of RR, the WAR caps acc to spare with tonnes left over, and the SMN may well close that gap and also cap acc. In this case the test is invalid because it indicates that a SMN vs. WAR are the same in terms of acc.

This would work both ways lets say to cap acc on a mob WAR only needs RR, where as SMN needs RR and C&D, then the test is invalid because the WAR can equip 2 heavy DD atmas whereas the SMN is stuck with only one.

-NOT SO NINJA EDIT-

A SMN vs. it's Pet test would also be of less worth in Abyssea seeing how pets are screwed out of ~70 STR & DEX from cruor buffs that the master gets.

[Korpg]

Well as a test of mage melee at it's best, an Abyssean run is fine.

But you said you wanted to test SMN vs. a Heavy DD, which Abyssea would make a poor test ground. As you will be looking for a mathematical comparison of the two.

Atmas and Cruor buffs will turn EMs~Ts into EPs~DCs for all intents and purposes, which anything can swing a weapon at. These buffs, I feel would also alter the difference between the SMN and the WAR.

The following is a hypothetical example and is not based on real or believed values:

If on a T++ the WAR with it's best gear is close to capping ACC(say 92%), and the SMN is a bit away from cap(80%) in it's best available gear, these numbers are obvisiously just an example(for any who are looking to argue). Now lets say both are using Atma of RR, the WAR caps acc to spare with tonnes left over, and the SMN may well close that gap and also cap acc. In this case the test is invalid because it indicates that a SMN vs. WAR are the same in terms of acc.

This would work both ways lets say to cap acc on a mob WAR only needs RR, where as SMN needs RR and C&D, then the test is invalid because the WAR can equip 2 heavy DD atmas whereas the SMN is stuck with only one.

Then lets make it so the SMN + Avatar and the WAR has the same atmas:

Apoc, RR, and VV.

Curor Buffs will decide the outcome, unless Karby has all abyssites for Cruor buffs, then we will be on "equal" footing in that case too.

[Karbuncle]

Then lets make it so the SMN + Avatar and the WAR has the same atmas:

Apoc, RR, and VV.

Curor Buffs will decide the outcome, unless Karby has all abyssites for Cruor buffs, then we will be on "equal" footing in that case too.

I actually do have all Abyssites for Cruor buffs >_>;; However, if i did do that, I was planning on using VV/RR/Apoc.

I'd like to do both tests, But as i said, I'm working on the gear now and im a slow person, so it might be a while before we can solidly do this, But i will hold to my word and test it!

[Razushu]

Then lets make it so the SMN + Avatar and the WAR has the same atmas:

Apoc, RR, and VV.

Curor Buffs will decide the outcome, unless Karby has all abyssites for Cruor buffs, then we will be on "equal" footing in that case too.

Even with the same atmas there's a shadow of doubt on the result, although as for total damage contribution the gimp to pets from lack of cruor buffs to them.

I still think(could be wrong) that Atmas would, alter the results in terms of Acc, and possibly other ways.

[Korpg]

Well i had always believed SMN Melee held its best spotlight In abyssea, testing it outside would go against my current beliefs of its uses. However, I'd be willing to try the ~T mobs in GoV Areas... That may require outside assistance (like, a WHM lol, maybe a real tank).

still would not be against the idea.

I can still tank and do damage, give me a WHM and I can do any mobs pretty much.