Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Korpg]

SMN should never even be near Amphitrite, too hard to control damage unless you summon -> BP -> release.

Even then it can mode change during the avatar's casting period and boom, healed 5k.

Edit: Hell, you shouldn't bring SMN to anything that can heal.

Damn it Leo, I was hoping that nobody would catch that so I could point out that little fact....

[Leonlionheart]

I don't need to prove anything, Rak. That's the beauty of it. There are a dozen melee jobs that can only melee. SE made content with melee in mind. Using the same rules melee jobs use, SMN can melee. This was figured out in 2006. I don't need to prove that 2006 happened.

Today, the gear is better. The skill is better. The mp recovery is astronomical. The original goal has disappeared. The new goal is identical to every other job: max damage. As one of the only SMN who cares enough to play the same min/max game as everyone else, it is no wonder that I upset a bunch of underskilled SMN.

It's great your trying to maximize your damage it really is. However I have to inform you that you are doing it very wrong.

How to maximize damage: PLAY A DIFFERENT JOB. No matter what you do, SMN will NEVER get close to the damage real DDs do, without a weapon worth a damn and an actually powerful weaponskill, it's completely impossible to ever parse up to the high powered DDs. The potential simply isn't there. Yes, you can do more damage than before by putting yourself in a situation that SMN shouldn't be used, where the option of changing jobs would actually be the way to go. SMN just isn't a OMG WTF HOW IS IT DEAD ALREADY job. It's a LOLOLOL YOU CANT TOUCH ME BUT I CAN TOUCH YOU job.

If you want to be good at SMN by maximizing your damage, k. If you want to be good at FFXI by maximizing your damage, SMN is the wrong job for you.

[Tarage]

Can I make a suggestion?

Stop arguing with him. He is either a moderately good troll, or someone who will never attempt to have a rational argument. Either way, just ignore him.

[Leonlionheart]

Can I make a suggestion?

Stop arguing with him. He is either a moderately good troll, or someone who will never attempt to have a rational argument. Either way, just ignore him.

Well that's true, but I think a lot of that information goes for other players as well. There's a job change system for a reason.

[Malamasala]

Well that's true, but I think a lot of that information goes for other players as well. There's a job change system for a reason.

So you can play only the 6 good jobs, of course.

[Leonlionheart]

So you can play only the 6 good jobs, of course.

No, so you can adapt to the situation.

Need PLD for Voidwatch.

Need SMN for WoE.

Need WAR for Abyssea.

[Dallas]

Levelling another job to beat SMN? All you. First go level war. Then buy two mules for WHM and BRD. Then if you can play all 3 at once, you can rightfully say you replaced 1 SMN. Have fun spending 3x the time gearing your hybrid replacement.

[Economizer]

Have fun spending 3x the time gearing your hybrid replacement.

Who the hell gears a dual boxed White Mage in anything you can't buy beyond maybe the AF3 hat? And you can get that in an hour. I've seen so many Light/Apollo Staffs and Healing Staffs it isn't even funny. At least a Templar Mace is arguably for procing club.

[Leonlionheart]

Levelling another job to beat SMN? All you. First go level war. Then buy two mules for WHM and BRD. Then if you can play all 3 at once, you can rightfully say you replaced 1 SMN. Have fun spending 3x the time gearing your hybrid replacement.

Got WAR and I have actual friends that like to play WHM and BRD.

Need foreveralone.jpg for Dallas w/ him hugging garuda up in here, stat.

Nah, but really, you're stupid since you're saying that SMN can fill any one of those roles.
Can't touch WAR doing it's WAR thing. There's like a 500% difference (5:1) in dps.
Can't touch a WHM doing it's WHM thing. Cure VI can do 1500, Cure IV can do 500 (3:1) in cures.
Can't touch a BRD doing it's BRD thing. March+Haste: 43% haste, Hastega: 15% haste (2.86:1).

You know what, for the hell of it I'll compare SMN dps to PUP dps too. PUP can cap haste in gear, can use Victory Smite, and Automatons can get Haste for free (lol U mad garuda?). PUP vs. SMN dps is probably 3:1, and Automaton vs. Avatar dps is probably 2:1. Now if you go do what SMN is built for on PUP you will crash and burn because PUP isn't built to successfully kite while dealing somewhat significant damage.

So SMN is just a useless piece of crap in your terms. Sure it can do all 3, but not effectively (there's a reason no one does what you do lolol) and not nearly well enough for people to actually want to party with you.

Now get the f*** out of the way and kite a mob till it's dead, SMN can do that. And it can do it well.

[Korpg]

Now get the f*** out of the way and kite a mob till it's dead, SMN can do that. And it can do it well.

Can do it very well, in fact, the best job to do that type of killing.

Too bad Dallas hasn't discovered that and continues to cling on the hopes of trying to be a melee-mage.