Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Seriha]

There's also the prospect of simple damage mitigation spells. As a static number, Phalanx hasn't grown very well. However, if you can slap a -25% DT onto someone that'd stack with gear on top of that, you wouldn't need to cure as hard. Though, I'm sure some would whine about easy mode if -75% PDT/MDT was possible for tanky types, or expect future content to be balanced around that presence so mobs would just do obscenely much more damage without.

Between RDM and SCH, each should probably pick one of those types and run with it.

[Dallas]

Rak, any SMN who doesn't melee has willingly chosen to do half or less of their potential damage. If being the only player who applies the rules of FFXI makes me superhuman, then you know the answer.

No, you won't.

Nope.

Sorry.

Melee SMN sucks.

Kthxbai.

And yet the only job you won't compare me to is your SMN. LOL

[Malamasala]

That way, these forums will always be plagued because people like Malamasala will occasionally back him up.

I'm independent, thank you very much. I don't counter Dalla's claims, because I don't have an empyrean staff to evaluate his claims. I counter Korpg's claims because I've proved them wrong personally and he is just spreading lies. And that is why it looks like I leave Dallas alone and pick on Korpg.

I'm sure you'd call me out also if I constantly went around these forums and claimed WAR/WHM is the best job combo, and can main heal. Especially since my WAR is level 45 or so and I've only leveled it as a subjob, so I haven't actually explored my facts first hand, just made them up on the spot.

[Korpg]

I'm independent, thank you very much. I don't counter Dalla's claims, because I don't have an empyrean staff to evaluate his claims. I counter Korpg's claims because I've proved them wrong personally and he is just spreading lies. And that is why it looks like I leave Dallas alone and pick on Korpg.

I'm sure you'd call me out also if I constantly went around these forums and claimed WAR/WHM is the best job combo, and can main heal. Especially since my WAR is level 45 or so and I've only leveled it as a subjob, so I haven't actually explored my facts first hand, just made them up on the spot.

Wait, you proved me wrong on what? That you think that Spirits need an update? That avatars aren't good enough for you? What was it exactly?

You don't counter Dallas because you actually agree with him about meleeing with SMN. You and Al both defend him constantly, although Al only defends the MP side of the argument. But you basically are Dallas's toady. Everywhere he goes, there you are to defend his insane ideas.

Melee SMNs have no place in a party/alliance that is killing something harder than EMs, or killing anything harder than exp mobs in Abyssea. But you guys, Dallas especially, and you backing him up, constantly state that if a Melee SMN can't melee on the mob, neither should the WAR. I have yet to hear Dallas explaining why a SMN should be allowed to melee, feed TP to a mob, and for it to be reasonable. Neither of you have a leg to stand on, but yet, you continue to state that you are both gods of the world and anything different is heretic to your name.

Besides, you should know that WAR/WHM has about as much healing ability as a SMN/WHM. Only difference is MP from SMN, but the cures are the same, recast are the same, and gimping your job is the same. A job should not be defined by the subjob it chooses.

[Dallas]

Poor K, would a 5 year old thread showing how well SMN fared on greater colibri shut you up? I will only offer it up to shut you up.

[Korpg]

Poor K, would a 5 year old thread showing how well SMN fared on greater colibri shut you up? I will only offer it up to shut you up.

Wait, let me guess, you have a parse where you were the SMN meleeing against a BRD melee, a RDM melee, a PLD tank, a DNC using H2H, and a SAM using a gimp GK on birds, right? Because A) Birds really show the differences between jobs and mobs, and B) Birds are the hardest thing out there at the time.

Let me see the parse between a melee SMN and an emp weapon on any job, including BRD, DNC, and heck, BLM and SCH. Specially your SMN.

[Leonlionheart]

You know he won't quit, even though the actual discussion of Real SMN vs Melee turdface is basically over.

Verdict: Melee when it's not detrimental to the battle outcome, don't when it is. That goes for pretty much EVERY JOB though.

Hint: If you're using SMN, it's probably a situation where being in melee range is detrimental to your health and sanity. I.E. Angius(Flux 7 WoE), Flux 5 WoE, Voidwatch, etc. Otherwise just don't use the job.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Dallas = Craftermath, I'm convinced of it now.

[Tarage]

A quick FFXI search shows that there is no character called Tagurit on Fenrir, or on any server.

It would be nice if Dallas would provide us with his real account, but I suspect he doesn't even have one.

[Dallas]

LLH, if only you were siding with people who believe "melee when you can melee.". I've always claimed that everyone but the Gimp SMN crowd has the sense to know the difference. Unfortunately for you, you chose to side with idiots. Your judgement is lacking.