in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[Kojo]

but that one reflects what people are truely thinking and their thoughts / emotions behind it.

we really want to become an emotionless calmed society? :O

Ever seen Eqilibrium? Good movie.

[Alukat]

Ever seen Eqilibrium? Good movie.

of course i saw it, it's awesome.

but i don't want to live in an emotionless world.

well i actually lived in one, and it sucks badly.

[Sparthos]

Copy and pasted from another site. Countries not supported by Click and Buy.

Cuba
Northern Mariana Islands
Moldova
Montenegro
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Syrian Arab Republic / Syria
Armenia
Uzbekistan
Azerbaijan
Cambodia
China
Islamic Republic of Iran / Iran
Iraq
Benin
Burkina Faso
Cape Verde
Cote d'Ivoire / Ivory Coast
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Liberia
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya / Libya
Mali
Niger
Nigeria
Rwanda
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Somalia
Sudan
Togo
Uganda
Zimbabwe
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Federated States of Micronesia /Micronesia
Nauru
Palau
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu
Vanuatu
Democratic People's Republic of Korea / North Korea
Republic of Korea / South Korea
Lao People's Democratic Republic / Laos / Lao P.D.R.
Malaysia
Myanmar
Philippines
Indonesia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Viet Nam
Hong Kong / HK
Macau / Macao
Taiwan
Palestinian Territory
Niue
Pitcairn / Pitcairn Island
Wallis and Futuna Islands
Western Sahara
Svalbard
St. Pierre et Miquelon
Antarctica
Heard Island and Mcdonald Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Holy See (vatican City State)

Really?

I lol'd.

[Romanova]

Sounds like a FFXIV problem to me, and a billing issue with Click and Buy, which you should have talked to either that company or Square Enix about it. Fighting with them, I don't believe. More like one side was too mad to keep their emotions in check.

no it was strictly through CnB. 14 had nothing to do with it, from what I can tell their "authorization" got stuck in a loop, it started spamming my CC with those random $1-2 amounts, and Chase got flagged/blocked it after the 5th or 6th time (I forget which since it was a year ago). I had to call Chase first since CnB's customer service was in Euro time so it wasn't open. Chase told me that CnB is a red flagged company to them and that Chase tries to block any transaction coming from them. I called C&B the next day and had to argue with them to get me 5-6 funds reversed and to have my account cancelled through them.


Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. No way am I going through that again. Nor do I want to go to another bank outside of Chase atm who tries to stop CnB transactions anyways.

[Korpg]

no it was strictly through CnB. 14 had nothing to do with it, from what I can tell their "authorization" got stuck in a loop, it started spamming my CC with those random $1-2 amounts, and Chase got flagged/blocked it after the 5th or 6th time (I forget which since it was a year ago). I had to call Chase first since CnB's customer service was in Euro time so it wasn't open. Chase told me that CnB is a red flagged company to them and that Chase tries to block any transaction coming from them. I called C&B the next day and had to argue with them to get me 5-6 funds reversed and to have my account cancelled through them.


Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. No way am I going through that again. Nor do I want to go to another bank outside of Chase atm who tries to stop CnB transactions anyways.

Sounds like an error to me, not malicious intent.

Chase has probably flagged Click and Buy because people use that company to filter in scams. It is not saying that the company is bad, it is saying that some people who use the product is bad. Are you going to blame Microsoft for somebody hacking into your computer?

[Sp1cyryan]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...830#post156830


I don't think they get it fully.

They get it they just rather take the easy route out.

It is easier to assure people they won't have such and such a charge with the new system instead of giving credence to the fact people rather have PO's crappy billing than this new junk.

This is not a case of people resisting change or even being unreasonable. This is a case of the change being worse than what we have.

[Romanova]

Sounds like an error to me, not malicious intent.

Chase has probably flagged Click and Buy because people use that company to filter in scams. It is not saying that the company is bad, it is saying that some people who use the product is bad. Are you going to blame Microsoft for somebody hacking into your computer?

I never said it was malicious intent, it is however a failed company as I have heard several others get into the same situation.

Also, stop trying to justify them, I don't trust them. You want to trust them? fine, go for it, but don't come down on others for not trusting them. Chase told me they will keep blocking it which means I couldn't use my chase card for CnB and that's the card I want to use (for two reasons 1. I have always trusted chase against fraud, 2. it's my reward card and I put all small purchases on it to gain points), so I do it through paypal instead because I can as crysta is the lesser of two evils. I think it's silly you think it's ok to tell people how to govern their money.


[edit] I also noticed how you claimed you'd retract your statement about the "new" system, even though you were, in fact, wrong about this being really new but never actually admitted to being wrong. gg

[Sp1cyryan]

I think it's silly you think it's ok to tell people how to govern their money.

Good old Korpg, still in his same old song and dance. Not a surprise really, but it be lovely if he came to his senses about some things though. At least when it comes to things like this.

[Sparthos]

If SE wants individuals to use crysta, allow exact payments instead of amounts that favor the company.

Cmon, has SE been reading the Shinra Motor and Electric Company manual on fair business practices?

[Arcalimo]

I don't think Click and Buy is shady. I have a junk account for all of my online transactions as a step to protect my money online. I use the exact same card that I have been using for years to pay for this game. I'm just surprised that I am the only person here aware enough to take this step to protect myself, I thought this is common sense!


My solution requires only the opening of 1 extra account. If 100% of the population has to do steps 2 and 3, and I offer an optional step 1, that doesn't mean that you get to skip steps 2 and 3 if you take the optional step 1. Learn to read.


Neither one of us know the exact reason why they are doing this new method. I gave you my analysis of the situation, you don't have to take it as gospel. Although, many people here seem to do.


Again, possible explanations. Until SE actually states why they are doing these things, all we have is speculation. Even I would think you can tell the difference between speculation and gospel.



Speculation is wrong now? How can we know what is wrong when we don't even know what is right?

If you really are all that hung up about this new system, cancel your account now. We will just see you in a couple of months anyway. Otherwise, stop complaining about something you can't change.

History shows that you are wrong.
Did you heard anything about revolutions?
A few examples to you:
-Your country would be nothing but a simple colony actually if your forefathers had that mentality.
-The big mayority of humans would be slaves working 24/7 under whips for a few minority of people with power.

Actually we are the only ones that can change this situation and people complaining for no reason about people complainign for a fair reason doesn't help.

I really don't see the fundaments of your complains, how does it affect you that other people could keep the actual billing system at the same time that you can use the new one? just like Japanesse can.

Does your solution solve this problem?

In short version and in English this mean:

-If your Original bank refuse a payement on a click and buy transaction you get 15€ + 7,5€ fee

-If you want to close your Click and Buy account its cost 15€ fee (Yeah but it was free to made it)

-If you dont use your Click and Buy account for more than 1 year you get 1€ fee per month then.

http://www.clickandbuy.com/WW_en/ter...onditions.html

If we just accept Click & buy, besides of the bad reputation and all that shit, SE would be forcing us to give an extra 15€ fee for cancelling our account or either pay them 1€ each month for something we don't want to use.
That or pay using crysta, buying extra amounts of it w/o knowing what could happen in the future (banned, leaving game for unespected mayor reason, death.. hell even if its 2€, those would be my property or of my sons), but no, they force us to have to either lose that too, or either spend it in something we didn't want.

It's not about making an extra account for security or anything, it's about time consumed in undesired stuff, forcing us to spend extra money in something we didn't want, etc. Hell is about values and morality.

And the worst is that this is impossed after 9 years, it would be different if it would be that way from the beginning, we could have acepted it or not, and prolly would have ended like FFIV, but now it does damage us, as it force us to either accept or lose all the time/stuff invested here, and this is enought for a lot of people to don't trust on SE anymore.

So yes, poeple do have a reason to complain about an unfair/immoral system impossed after 9 years, and that damages them, more or less.

And we do have the power to change this, even if you don't believe it (as i said before, history shows you are wrong), first complaining and later taking action if our complains are not taken into consideration.
And even if we don't leave the game entirely, 1000 people not paying for 1 month is money lost by SE that they could have earned by listening to their clients.
Some may come back, but the damage is done, and others won't come back for sure.
*1000 is just an example, could be more people considering the quantity of complains that you can see in the forum in just 1 day. (and note that i said temporaly leaving, not leaving forever).

Now its time for SE to evaluate if the gain will be worth the lost and the bad reputation they will earn for leading their clients into this trap.


Also, to your knowledge:
I don't need an extra bank account to buy with security, i check my bank account every day, if click & buy charges me w/o permission, i have X time(based on type of operation) to cancel the operation and get my money back.
The problem is that doing so, Click & buy could add me to an unpaid's black list and banks wouldn't lend me any money i would need in the future, GREATLY damaging my real life, even if i cancel the operation from any account, it's my name and my ID what get's the damage, even for 13€.
So at the end, either i eat the 13€ or i spend A LOT of time and money on laywers, trying to prove to a judge that i am inocent to get myself erased from that list.

So before sending someone to learn to read you should also learn about what you are talking about, not all countries have the same laws as your


In resume:
-People have a reason to complain about this unfair new impossed system.
-People complaining about other people complaining has no reason at all since if SE keep the actual system as well it won't affect them at all because you could use the new one too, like JP people, which is what the mayority of complains demand, so please stop doing this as it doesn't help at all.

That's my 2 cents,
Good night, ty for reading, all that~