in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[MarkovChain]

The top suggestion on google

You are an internet pro (type FFXI, and check where BG is). Noone will quit except for reasons unrelated to this. Unless you have the IQ of a leek, this method takes no longer than what it took to change CC info on the previous POL and is (obviously) safer.

[Jackastheripper]

I will say that most of your posts Korpg do have the most thought behind them and I congratulate you on that. They are always well thought out and precise is what I was getting at. You seem to be very dedicated to this game and will do all you can to prove your point with as much research as necessary. For that I applaud you. Seriously. You seem to be one of the few people on here that can discuss things with people, even when they don't agree with you.

This is where I, and more players than I think you realize, are coming from. We (or at least I and quite a few of my other FFXI friends) have stayed with, not so much SE, but FFXI for so long because of the ease and security at which we were able to play the game. It has become less and less easy. Now that is not saying that it was easy (and by that I mean not direct in the least bit once you got inside POL) to get payment options set up, but once it was done, it was done until you had to do something along the lines of change a credit card. It's not easy (any by easy here I mean "no extra necessary steps") to set up multiple other accounts just to get my payment to SE.

I think for a lot of people, this is the last straw in the last line of last straws. With the 99 level cap looming and (already disclosed by SE) no new real content outside of rehashing old areas or adding more stuff to existing ones, what is left? The game is old and, sadly, dying. It had a better run than most. With so many MMO's coming out with so much to offer, it will be hard for FFXI to stand up against them without offering real, new content.

This is the view of one not so casual but also not hardcore FFXI gamer. I have a feeling that I am not the only one who feels this way.

[Byrth]

The top suggestion on google. Not the top result. It means that, after the name of the company itself, the next most commonly searched for term is "clickandbuy scam"

[Hunewearl]

I will say that most of your posts Korpg do have the most thought behind them and I congratulate you on that. They are always well thought out and precise is what I was getting at. You seem to be very dedicated to this game and will do all you can to prove your point with as much research as necessary. For that I applaud you. This is where I, and more players than I think you realize, are coming from. We (or at least I and quite a few of my other FFXI friends) have stayed with, not so much SE, but FFXI for so long because of the ease and security at which we were able to play the game. It has become less and less easy. Now that is not saying that it was easy (and by that I mean not direct in the least bit once you got inside POL) to get payment options set up, but once it was done, it was done until you had to do something along the lines of change a credit card. It's not easy (any by easy here I mean "no extra necessary steps") to set up multiple other accounts just to get my payment to SE.

I think for a lot of people, this is the last straw in the last line of last straws. With the 99 level cap looming and (already disclosed by SE) no new real content outside of rehashing old areas or adding more stuff to existing ones, what is left? The game is old and, sadly, dying. It had a better run than most. With so many MMO's coming out with so much to offer, it will be hard for FFXI to stand up against them without offering real, new content.

This is the view of one not so casual but also not hardcore FFXI gamer. I have a feeling that I am not the only one who feels this way.

I wonder if you even thought about the fact that this new way of paying will allow people to come back to the game. I am mainly talking about people with US accounts but being EU, paying with EU cards, cards that are, for some of them, denied from POL since 2008-2009.
All these people can now pay through ClickandBuy and enjoy FFXI again, and they are many.

That being said, if ClickandBuy was not secure or whatever, it wouldn't be used. 100% safe does not exist but to be used as a mean of payment for FFXIV and now FFXI, it must be pretty close.

FFXI is old, people can't get the same old feeling when playing nowadays, they are merely looking for an excuse to quit, this change is just an excuse to quit, it's not a valid reason.

[Rage]

For those people whos comparing/arguing old POL payment is better or new one is better,plz dont forget that people outside of NA EU and JP cant even pay and play anymore becaues if their SE account is set on EU&Other Region like me then the only option to pay is Click and Buy and there are alot of countries they doesnt work with Click and Buy, for those people who agrees the new payment system is better, think about us, we cant even pay thru Click and Buyand we cant play while u guys still can actually pay and continue the service regardless if you guys want to or not, saying the new system is good and easy to you and dont care about others is just making people /rage. :P you dont have problem with the new system doesnt mean other people will be same as u. right right ?

[Romanova]

I wasn't given the option to switch over my account info until the 27th of July. And I had to reissue my information earlier this month because my old card expires at the end of this month.

As far as I know, only the 3D secure was in effect. Give me information as to state that this new system that we are on has been in effect for the past year, and I shall retract my statement. Because I have been paying from PoL since I first started this game.

It is the only way you could pay for 14, it existed initially for 14 and they already stated back then that there were plans to move 11 to it as they wanted to keep both games on the same system to make it "easier" to handle payments since there was (still is? not sure now that things have changed) supposed to be a discount to the monthly fees if you had both games on the same SE account.

There are tons of people out there (myself included) that are about to get at least 1 month of not having to pay for ff11 because when we all got the CE edition of ff14 we expected to pay for it and already went through this awful system to set it up for 14.

I had a balance of 3k crysta in my bank because I expected to play 14 for at least 2 months. If I hadn't gone back to ffxi those would have expired next year.


Now before you try to twist things, I never said this system was in effect for ffxi. but it has been in effect for over a year and with plans for over a year for ffxi to switch. So if you want to make guesses as to why they made it you have to think about SE's state of almost two years ago (they didn't plan this in a day, it was supposed to be the major new "cool" POL system for ff14, it wasn't a rushed job). While it was already completed and running a year ago, you have to go even further back to when they initially thought of it in the first place.

I'd like to point out too the system is set up the exact same way as it was back a year ago, absolutely nothing has changed since then.

Why did they decide to switch now? my guess is they are planning fairly soon after the next major patch or two in 14 to turn it into p2p and they wanted them both on the same system before then since that was their initial intent.

[Jackastheripper]

Copy and pasted from another site. Countries not supported by Click and Buy.

Cuba
Northern Mariana Islands
Moldova
Montenegro
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Syrian Arab Republic / Syria
Armenia
Uzbekistan
Azerbaijan
Cambodia
China
Islamic Republic of Iran / Iran
Iraq
Benin
Burkina Faso
Cape Verde
Cote d'Ivoire / Ivory Coast
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Liberia
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya / Libya
Mali
Niger
Nigeria
Rwanda
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Somalia
Sudan
Togo
Uganda
Zimbabwe
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Federated States of Micronesia /Micronesia
Nauru
Palau
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu
Vanuatu
Democratic People's Republic of Korea / North Korea
Republic of Korea / South Korea
Lao People's Democratic Republic / Laos / Lao P.D.R.
Malaysia
Myanmar
Philippines
Indonesia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Viet Nam
Hong Kong / HK
Macau / Macao
Taiwan
Palestinian Territory
Niue
Pitcairn / Pitcairn Island
Wallis and Futuna Islands
Western Sahara
Svalbard
St. Pierre et Miquelon
Antarctica
Heard Island and Mcdonald Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Holy See (vatican City State)

While it is nice to see that with this new system, a few older players from certain areas already supported by POL will be able to come back, all the players in these countries that already have accounts through avenues mentioned above will be unable to play. This includes some of couple of US friends who are currently stationed in Iraq who use a little of their very little free time to jump on FFXI and play around on their US account and chat and a friend of mine in Lebanon who plays on a JP account.

[Kojo]

Copy and pasted from another site. Countries not supported by Click and Buy.

Cuba
Northern Mariana Islands
Moldova
Montenegro
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Syrian Arab Republic / Syria
Armenia
Uzbekistan
Azerbaijan
Cambodia
China
Islamic Republic of Iran / Iran
Iraq
Benin...

While it is nice to see that with this new system, a few older players from certain areas already supported by POL will be able to come back, all the players in these countries that already have accounts through avenues mentioned above will be unable to play.

Hey, look on the bright side! No RMT.

[Jackastheripper]

Hey, look on the bright side! No RMT.

I loled. But seriously, losing the business from china and the Korea's? I am sure that will be no big hit....

[Alukat]

to the op:
this are my options:

when u transfer to extend your ID's it gives me this options:

-Clickandbuy
-Crysta

i have to select one of them.

to buy crysta i have to select one of these:

-clickandbuy
-ultimatepay

2000 crysta costs 20€ (at SE page)

payment methods and prices:

Ultimate game card: 30.38$
Webmoney 30.38$
Ukash 20,87€
ELV (germany) 21.61€ > redirected to paybycash
Moneybookers 20€
Wallie-card 23.84€
Giropay (moneybookers) 20€
instant transfer (moneybookers) 20€
paypal 20€
paysafecard 21,31€

as u can see i always have to sign in for a 3rd party and some of them are charging extra money.

there's no way to pay SE directly via CC, at least not in germany.