in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

[Aver]

Plus, I love the excuse "you don't agree with me so you must be wrong."

Not so much wrong as crazy.

Open a new bank account to open a new 3rd party payment account to buy virtual currency to pay for a game? Really?

Or we could just have SE not do retarded things like this and we all live happily ever after.

[Korpg]

People are complaining about Click and Buy. You can just open a new bank account to offset the "risk" of Click and Buy, or you could use your current account to buy crysta. For those who don't have the option of buying crysta, then you have to use Click and Buy to continue to play this game. Don't like Click and Buy? See you in a couple of months. I'm sure that 50~100 people will quit because of this new system, but out of those who quit, about 90% will come back in a couple of months.

Quitting this game because you don't like the way they are changing their payment methods is a very weak excuse, and just shows that those who quit were going to anyway. Just save us all the pain of hearing you cry about it and do it!

This game will continue on without you. I promise you that.

[Byrth]

No, we seem to agree exactly on the facts (save one). You made several assertions earlier in the thread that, by a logical extension of the facts we agree upon, are wrong.

For instance, we seem to agree that click and buy is shady enough to warrant opening a shell account, yet you open the post by saying you don't know why people are complaining.

Your solution necessitates opening 2-3 accounts, yet you assert that it only requires opening one.

You name it "streamlining the payment process," somehow. You also don't seem to realize how easy it is for people to let monthly payments slide, and how often they do it.

You back off your claim that they're streamlining the process, and instead shift focus to some combination of "but POL has been bad for the last year!", "International banking rules have changed!", and "Maybe Hackers!" as possible reasons for the switch. All pretty much just speculation. POL has always been bad, I certainly haven't heard of any banking rules changing, and the threat of for-profit hackers likely hasn't increased in the last year.

So in short, you're wrong because you're wrong, and you know it. Also, if you enjoy continued support for this 9 year old grandpa of a game, you'd better hope that SE makes it as easy as possible for every kind of player to continue paying them. The support for this game is going to be directly related to its profitability.

If you don't believe people will unsubscribe over this, take a look at the number of sub-20 post-count posters in these threads.

[Selzak]

You've posted this before and got called out on the fact that it's utterly false, and then you decided to make a thread. Deserves to be flamed imo, because you don't just lack reading comprehension you also lack the ability to consider yourself possibly wrong. Couple that with your ironically smart attitude (learn2reed guys!) and I have to wonder if this is just a troll.

[Korpg]

For instance, we seem to agree that click and buy is shady enough to warrant opening a shell account, yet you open the post by saying you don't know why people are complaining.

I don't think Click and Buy is shady. I have a junk account for all of my online transactions as a step to protect my money online. I use the exact same card that I have been using for years to pay for this game. I'm just surprised that I am the only person here aware enough to take this step to protect myself, I thought this is common sense!

Your solution necessitates opening 2-3 accounts, yet you assert that it only requires opening one.

My solution requires only the opening of 1 extra account. If 100% of the population has to do steps 2 and 3, and I offer an optional step 1, that doesn't mean that you get to skip steps 2 and 3 if you take the optional step 1. Learn to read.

You name it "streamlining the payment process," somehow. You also don't seem to realize how easy it is for people to let monthly payments slide, and how often they do it.

Neither one of us know the exact reason why they are doing this new method. I gave you my analysis of the situation, you don't have to take it as gospel. Although, many people here seem to do.

You back off your claim that they're streamlining the process, and instead shift focus to some combination of "but POL has been bad for the last year!", "International banking rules have changed!", and "Maybe Hackers!" as possible reasons for the switch. All pretty much just speculation. POL has always been bad, I certainly haven't heard of any banking rules changing, and the threat of for-profit hackers likely hasn't increased in the last year.

Again, possible explanations. Until SE actually states why they are doing these things, all we have is speculation. Even I would think you can tell the difference between speculation and gospel.

So in short, you're wrong because you're wrong, and you know it. Also, if you enjoy continued support for this 9 year old grandpa of a game, you'd better hope that SE makes it as easy as possible for every kind of player to continue paying them. The support for this game is going to be directly related to its profitability.

Speculation is wrong now? How can we know what is wrong when we don't even know what is right?

If you really are all that hung up about this new system, cancel your account now. We will just see you in a couple of months anyway. Otherwise, stop complaining about something you can't change.

[Byrth]

The top suggestion on google (in order of most-searched-for) for Click and Buy is "clickandbuy scam." Here, I went ahead and hit enter for you. They also have an F with the BBB (admittedly, SE also had an F until they paid the BBB to become an accredited business). These are not people you would want to do business with if you could avoid it.

There's no reason to be trying to silence opposition to a billing change on the official forums. Even if they're stubborn and this doesn't change anything, it doesn't take much effort to post and it's our only way to try.

[Selzak]

Rosina (( must read )), in a general sense.

[Korpg]

The top suggestion on google (in order of most-searched-for) for Click and Buy is "clickandbuy scam." Here, I went ahead and hit enter for you. They also have an F with the BBB (admittedly, SE also had an F until they paid the BBB to become an accredited business). These are not people you would want to do business with if you could avoid it.

How come all I see from this are scams that go thru Click and Buy, but not the company itself?

That's the same as blaming MGM for a bad movie.

I can't believe people now. Thanks for showing me this, now I have less faith in people in general than before. Maybe I should blame my grocery store when that new soup doesn't taste good. Or blame Ford when somebody cuts me off. Or blame my electric company when some show comes on and it sucks.

There's no reason to be trying to silence opposition to a billing change on the official forums. Even if they're stubborn and this doesn't change anything, it doesn't take much effort to post and it's our only way to try.

Not silencing anyone. Just telling everyone to put their money where their mouth is. I hate it when people threaten to do something to offset a minor inconvenience.

[Jackastheripper]

I think Korpg is just pissed that if everyone quits, he won't have a game to play and therefore a forum to "teach" about the ways of the world. I know I am done when it all switches over for good. If they would have offered paypal as a 3rd party service for exact purchase price, I would stay. I have had bad dealing with click and buy in the past and refuse to do business with them. Not buying crysta because I can't have it reoccur without manually loading it and not exact payment there either. Not loading up my account with crysta that may or may not be used and will, most likely, never be at a 0 balance.

I have looked over many other forums and I think you are underestimating how many people are truly not happy with this decision. I am sure that way more than 50-100 people are going to be quitting over this. You have to take into account that more than a few of them probably have more than 1 account. I have 2 and will be canceling them both. So does a friend of mine who will be canceling all 3 of his. It's not the number of people who are quitting, but the number of accounts that go with em. GG SE.

[Korpg]

I think Korpg is just pissed that if everyone quits, he won't have a game to play and therefore a forum to "teach" about the ways of the world. I know I am done when it all switches over for good. If they would have offered paypal as a 3rd party service for exact purchase price, I would stay. I have had bad dealing with click and buy in the past and refuse to do business with them. Not buying crysta because I can't have it reoccur without manually loading it and not exact payment there either. Not loading up my account with crysta that may or may not be used and will, most likely, never be at a 0 balance.

I have looked over many other forums and I think you are underestimating how many people are truly not happy with this decision. I am sure that way more than 50-100 people are going to be quitting over this. You have to take into account that more than a few of them probably have more than 1 account. I have 2 and will be canceling them both. So does a friend of mine who will be canceling all 3 of his. It's not the number of people who are quitting, but the number of accounts that go with em. GG SE.

You know, the best way to talk bad about a company is to say what they have done to you in the past. You know, instead of saying "I hate this company" it is better to say "I hate this company, and here is why"

Also, I'm flattered that you think I am here teaching people something. That was not my intent, but I'm flattered nonetheless.

Nobody knows how many people will quit over this, except SE. My estimation is based on the number of people who are jumping the bandwagon against Click and Pay and who, I think, will really quit from this. Which we will see a majority of those who quit come back in a couple of months, like we usually do. Past experiences dictate my observations.