On Red Mage melee...

[Aurara]

You're assuming an awful lot with this one. Going as far as to decide my subjob for me, yikes. I agree on the TP feed thing, though. RDM melee is still not a great solution in this game by any means, it needs a tweak. But, that's all it needs; just a nudge from the Devs and we could be really viable. BLU does it, the potential is there, just barely out of RDM's reach.

BLU? REALLY? BLU is set up that way, that's the way the spells were designed, if you want to play like BLU so bad, go play BLU

But again, you stand there, when you could be doing something else to contribute and still watch for status. I personally keep a ton of chat filters on, so my log isn't all cluttered and I can see status changes easier.

See, this is a very very foolish statement, because you imply i am not contributing by standing, and that in order to contribute i HAVE to melee, which is completely wrong.

[Rayik]

If RDM was viable and great currently, there wouldn't be 10 threads in the area begging for an update. If RDM wasn't meant to have any melee potential whatsoever and be relegated to the backline, there wouldn't be 10 threads in this area begging for an update.

That, and we'd probably have some actual staff skill if that were the case. RDM can't even red staff proc.

[Rayik]

BLU? REALLY? BLU is set up that way, that's the way the spells were designed, if you want to play like BLU so bad, go play BLU



See, this is a very very foolish statement, because you imply i am not contributing by standing, and that in order to contribute i HAVE to melee, which is completely wrong.

I didn't say you had to melee, just not stand there with your thumb up your ass.

[Aurara]

How is watching for enfeebs on melee standing with my thumb up my ass?

[Rayik]

How is watching for enfeebs on melee standing with my thumb up my ass?

Most melee call out what they have on them anyway, and you can be doing something else at the same time. Hell, even nuke.

And yes, I said BLU. BLU are a melee/spellcaster, and get access to all the sword-based ws RDM should. I'll admit I'm a little jealous. It's funny, the first RDM in a FF game started out with swords, the first BLU I ever saw(FF5, 6) used a staff. Irony.

[Aurara]

Most melee call out what they have on them anyway, and you can be doing something else at the same time. Hell, even nuke.

Or you could be a good mage and know what TP moves do what so you can be ready to remove the enfeeb once you see the TP move in the chatlog, like I do.

And yes, I said BLU. BLU are a melee/spellcaster, and get access to all the sword-based ws RDM should. I'll admit I'm a little jealous. It's funny, the first RDM in a FF game started out with swords, the first BLU I ever saw(FF5, 6) used a staff. Irony.

Because FFXI=every other FF game out there.

[Supersun]

People really are fooling themselves if they think Rdm is going to be super awesome once we leave abyssea.

The simple fact is that excluding saboteur which has been horribly nerfed on any sort of NM the difference between a Rdms and a Whms enfeebles is about 10%. Sure, Rdm can bring refresh 2 to the party as well, but that's only adding +3 MP/tick from what they would normally have which isn't nearly as impressive when jobs pretty much innately already have 3 MP/tick and convert.

So are slightly stronger enfeebles and a little more refresh worth inviting a red mage over another white mages MP pool + cure V+VI for?

Red Mage only becomes slightly more viable when there are 4+ MP users in a party where refresh II actually starts to matter vs just doubling up on that job, but then again you would be better off inviting a Brd since Elegly stacks with slow and ballad stack with refresh.

Whm + Brd's 80% slow and 12 MP/tick kinda annihilates Whm + Rdm's 35% slow and 6 MP/tick.

[Rayik]

Or you could be a good mage and know what TP moves do what so you can be ready to remove the enfeeb once you see the TP move in the chatlog, like I do.

And who says I don't? I never said I don't play support as well.

Because FFXI=every other FF game out there.

I'm citing the reference to where all this silly RDM melee business originated. You act like it's some totally foreign concept a bunch of us just dreamed up. I'm citing that in FF games, RDM were viable melee mages. They're broke in XI, and we're clamoring for a fix.

[Aurara]

pld pld whm rdm brd cor tank party \o/

Edit: for voidwatch!

[Rayik]

pld pld whm rdm brd cor tank party \o/

You got 7 ppl in your party? Two PLD's and a tank? Sweet.

It's your $12.95, play as closed-minded as you please. Some RDM's are content to sit on the sidelines and pretend to be WHM. I'm not a WHM.