Paddling though the sea of crap to find the one island is not what new players to dnya were able to do. These are the players that /shout shells used since just starting dyna you didn't know any better. By time you did you already invested to much time to just leave for a new shell. Once these get what they are after they quit dyna and hold the view of relic holders being users. What were there more of shout group shells that formed from jeuno shouts or the good fair shells.