Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Leonlionheart]

90% might be too big, but I can assure you it's over 50%.

I've seen Relic owners with less knowledge of the game than pink power rangers. This of course is probably the smallest category of Relic owners, because most people will find out if they enjoy the game our not before they dish out big real currency to buy relics.

[Insaniac]

90% might be too big, but I can assure you it's over 50%.

I've seen Relic owners with less knowledge of the game than pink power rangers. This of course is probably the smallest category of Relic owners, because most people will find out if they enjoy the game our not before they dish out big real currency to buy relics.

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

[Leonlionheart]

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

It goes the same way on both arguments. Across the internet even if you do talk to them the odds are they will lie to you if they have bought gil, considering it's such an offense.

I've met maybe two Relic owners who have legitimately gotten relics, and played with dozens. The two Relic owners who are legit are the only ones deserving of the relics, and they both worked hard for them and keep up their job adamantly.

I can't say absolutely that they have bought gil, but you can't say they haven't either. I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

[Insaniac]

It goes the same way on both arguments. Across the internet even if you do talk to them the odds are they will lie to you if they have bought gil, considering it's such an offense.

I've met maybe two Relic owners who have legitimately gotten relics, and played with dozens. The two Relic owners who are legit are the only ones deserving of the relics, and they both worked hard for them and keep up their job adamantly.

I can't say absolutely that they have bought gil, but you can't say they haven't either. I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

That's why I said you have to know them personally. You can't just talk to someone a few times like you said but when people work on relics they tend to interact with each other. I know that every NA who finished their relic while I was working on mine did it legit. I watched them go through the process. On top of that I heard rumors about all of them that weren't true during and after their process. I know how this works. People see someone get something they want and they start making up stories about how they got it.

On the subject of shell abuse, yes, some leaders were dicks and had their members spamming cities with 1 xarc/glacier a month but it's not like they had no other options. If they stayed it was because they wanted to. There was never a shortage of dynamis shells and if their leader was screwing them over they should have just left and usually people did. If someone is stupid enough to be taken advantage of then someone is gonna take advantage of them and not just for relics.

[Ravenmore]

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

Most people have seen this kinda of thing. Most players have been in a dyna shell and seen the crap that goes on with sponsers. Only truely fair way with no personal bias is for those interested to random. If relics had never needed more then 6 people to obtain then these kinda of rumors wouldn't have started. I turned down every shell offer I got from friends to join the LSes they were in because of sponsors. People don't really like seeing some one profit off thier work and they might get one run a month at the gear they really wanted from dyna. Sponsors and leader used this carrot to get the minons to work for thier toys.

[Alhanelem]

SE handled the Salvage bans poorly, period.

They handled it properly, period. People broke the rules, which was grounds for banning as stated in the rules, and they recieved the perscribed punishment. There is nothing more to it than that. All this what ifs about if "everybody" did it is pointless because not "everybody" did it.

I guarantee that many casuals and hardcores were killed off alike.

It wasn't "many" people. It was a very small percentage. SE had 100s of thousands of customers at the time and these bans were a drop in the bucket.

Anyone who knew they were cheating the system got what was coming to them and they deserved it. Some people who weren't a regular part of it or weren't orchestrating it got slapped on the wrist, and they should consider themselves fortunate.

What does all this have to do with relic and empyrean weapons, anyway?

[Cursed]

This entire argument that Mythics are harder to obtain than relics is partially wrong.
Since the dynamis update, I will say that obtaining relics 75 has become much easier. Being able to spam dynamis daily with a small group and get 100-200 currency a day is pretty awesome. while also keeping the 500k you would have coughed up to sponsor the run and spending it on more currency. Yes Relics are probably very easy. But Mythics can be too.
Mythics are currently harder to obtain for 2 main reasons
1st, because they are crap for the most part or the improvement they provide is mild in comparison to empyreans, which are easier to obtain. And if for some reason you're sick and don't want the best weapon (empyrean), or the 2nd best (WoE) you can always get a Relic (3rd best).
2nd, because no one is currently ever in Whitegate doing TOA content. As a result, there are less Alexandrites, less people to static for Nyzul Isle climbs, less people to do salvage with, no one selling Zeni pics and no one bothered enough to farm them.
If mythics became the best weapons tomorrow, they would instantly become far more attainable.

Poor DRG, its mythic is a pretty sick weapon.


EDIT:
Salvage bans -
SE knows it messed up big time with Salvage bans.
Tell me where are the routine STF reports we once used to be bombarded with? That little PR stunt didn't last long. Wonder how much money the STF cost SE lol.
I've sat across their EU COO and told him straight up I didn't think this company was worth investing in because it treated its customers like criminals.
In other MMOs, it takes a lot for the company to cut you off, give you the silent treatment.
SE even stated openly "We do not need a reason to ban anyone from our services, and they need not break any rules. We reserve the right to act without any warning, cause or communication of such to the 2nd or 3rd party".
That's a cheap legal way of saying "yo we make up the rules as the game is played, get in bed with us at your own risk"

Their first MMO, FFXI, has been online for a decade, and fan run website and forums have been the main source of communicating information among the none japanese speaking clients/customers. Only after a decade, at the end of the game's life does the company decide to invest in some kind of communication pathway between itself and its customers.

That's why I told Jurgen not to look over here for money. We may play this game cuz we're addicts, but being an addict doesn't mean our business sense went out the window.
My 9 year old son could do a better job at running SE's public relations and corporate coms units.

[Cream_Soda]

I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

No matter how douchy it may seem, there is nothing about that which is not legit

[Leonlionheart]

No matter how douchy it may seem, there is nothing about that which is not legit

"Legit" I suppose, but as long as no one finds out buying the gil and the currency is "Legit" too. Just keep your mouth closed and it's as legit as you make it.

Either way, wrong is wrong.

[Cream_Soda]

"Legit" I suppose, but as long as no one finds out buying the gil and the currency is "Legit" too. Just keep your mouth closed and it's as legit as you make it.

Either way, wrong is wrong.

Buying the gil, sure, breaking the rules = wrong.

Anything beyond that is subjective