Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Ravenmore]

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

Most people have seen this kinda of thing. Most players have been in a dyna shell and seen the crap that goes on with sponsers. Only truely fair way with no personal bias is for those interested to random. If relics had never needed more then 6 people to obtain then these kinda of rumors wouldn't have started. I turned down every shell offer I got from friends to join the LSes they were in because of sponsors. People don't really like seeing some one profit off thier work and they might get one run a month at the gear they really wanted from dyna. Sponsors and leader used this carrot to get the minons to work for thier toys.

[Leonlionheart]

No matter how douchy it may seem, there is nothing about that which is not legit

"Legit" I suppose, but as long as no one finds out buying the gil and the currency is "Legit" too. Just keep your mouth closed and it's as legit as you make it.

Either way, wrong is wrong.

[Cream_Soda]

"Legit" I suppose, but as long as no one finds out buying the gil and the currency is "Legit" too. Just keep your mouth closed and it's as legit as you make it.

Either way, wrong is wrong.

Buying the gil, sure, breaking the rules = wrong.

Anything beyond that is subjective

[Bumbeen]

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

You cannot do this. 50% exaggeration. And in addition, on some servers its impossible to get the bait you need to get 2M because of all the bots. So you're limited to 1.5M in those cases.

[Insaniac]

It goes the same way on both arguments. Across the internet even if you do talk to them the odds are they will lie to you if they have bought gil, considering it's such an offense.

I've met maybe two Relic owners who have legitimately gotten relics, and played with dozens. The two Relic owners who are legit are the only ones deserving of the relics, and they both worked hard for them and keep up their job adamantly.

I can't say absolutely that they have bought gil, but you can't say they haven't either. I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

That's why I said you have to know them personally. You can't just talk to someone a few times like you said but when people work on relics they tend to interact with each other. I know that every NA who finished their relic while I was working on mine did it legit. I watched them go through the process. On top of that I heard rumors about all of them that weren't true during and after their process. I know how this works. People see someone get something they want and they start making up stories about how they got it.

On the subject of shell abuse, yes, some leaders were dicks and had their members spamming cities with 1 xarc/glacier a month but it's not like they had no other options. If they stayed it was because they wanted to. There was never a shortage of dynamis shells and if their leader was screwing them over they should have just left and usually people did. If someone is stupid enough to be taken advantage of then someone is gonna take advantage of them and not just for relics.

[Frost]

Read through the thread, and the only thing I have to add at this time:

To those that say you can just buy a relic, you're right you can. However as someone already pointed out, you're still grinding to get cash to do so. Boasting you make 1.5m/week and putting that to the math was done. But there's also one facet to that argument that wasn't touched: Availability. You may see "Thirty Bazaars packed to the teeth with coins". But in reality it's more like 10 or so with maybe 3-5 of each coin if you're lucky, and usually way overpriced compared to "common market value". Availability has always been the obstacle when you're doing a relic without a shell.

And at least on my server, "Sell Abuse" was pretty much unheard of. I've said it in other threads on this topic, that is actually pretty rare. You only heard about those incidents because they are tantamount to murder in the FFXI world. You don't read about all the babies being born in the world, only the horrific deaths. Not saying it never happens, but it's more rare than you'd think.

[Ravenmore]

You can make 1.5 mil a day if you really tried to farm. Forget singles, one 100 piece a day is easy to find. Again grinding gil or old school of getting a whole LS to farm it for you since as a sponsor your personal amount of work was far less then the rest of the shell.

[Leonlionheart]

Buying the gil, sure, breaking the rules = wrong.

Anything beyond that is subjective

Nit picking, I don't think you'll find many ripped off LS that thing what happened to them was 'right.'

[Insaniac]

Nit picking, I don't think you'll find many ripped off LS that thing what happened to them was 'right.'

Let's find a single person who was actually in a shell that was ripped off before we start putting words in their mouth. Shells crumble when a leader is crooked. If people stay in a shell they are obviously getting something out of it or they are just stupid. Most of these "abuse" shells never even got off the ground let alone ran long enough to get someone a relic. When people join a sponsor shell they understand what they are getting into.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You underestimate how stupid this playerbase is.