Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Insaniac]

It's okay to exploit dumb people. Got it!

Never said that at all. However, if you were dumb enough to stay in a shell like that for more than 1 run it's as much your fault that you are being abused as it is the person making up the crappy rules.

Paddling though the sea of crap to find the one island is not what new players to dnya were able to do. These are the players that /shout shells used since just starting dyna you didn't know any better. By time you did you already invested to much time to just leave for a new shell. Once these get what they are after they quit dyna and hold the view of relic holders being users. What were there more of shout group shells that formed from jeuno shouts or the good fair shells.

Was it really that hard? People did it all the time. Joined starter shells to get their city flags and bounced as soon as they met the requirements to be in the shell they really wanted to be in. Also, you are implying that all shout shells were formed simply for the purpose of using people. That's just dumb. Every shell shouted for people when they needed them and there were enough of them to find one that suited you. Playing less or being new to dynamis wouldn't have affected anyone's ability to do this.

[Ravenmore]

Never said that at all. However, if you were dumb enough to stay in a shell like that for more than 1 run it's as much your fault that you are being abused as it is the person making up the crappy rules.



Was it really that hard? People did it all the time. Joined starter shells to get their city flags and bounced as soon as they met the requirements to be in the shell they really wanted to be in. Also, you are implying that all shout shells were formed simply for the purpose of using people. That's just dumb. Every shell shouted for people when they needed them and there were enough of them to find one that suited you. Playing less or being new to dynamis wouldn't have affected anyone's ability to do this.

Every shell shouted for people when they needed bodies really. The good shell had lines to get into so you were still stuck with the trash. Not just they were goodenough to get windy win with out agrroing the death house but good as in farming xaca and killing DL. Those shells that sold and spilt coins not just give relics away to suck up leaders.

[Ravenmore]

Paddling though the sea of crap to find the one island is not what new players to dnya were able to do. These are the players that /shout shells used since just starting dyna you didn't know any better. By time you did you already invested to much time to just leave for a new shell. Once these get what they are after they quit dyna and hold the view of relic holders being users. What were there more of shout group shells that formed from jeuno shouts or the good fair shells.

[Sparthos]

Honestly, most of XI is paddling through a sea of idiots to find an island refuge where some people have the slightest idea of what they are doing.

[Byrth]

Paddling though the sea of crap to find the one island is not what new players to dnya were able to do. These are the players that /shout shells used since just starting dyna you didn't know any better. By time you did you already invested to much time to just leave for a new shell. Once these get what they are after they quit dyna and hold the view of relic holders being users. What were there more of shout group shells that formed from jeuno shouts or the good fair shells.

Pretty much this.

Dynamis allowed high playtime players to exploit low playtime players because low playtime players devoted 8 of their 16 hours a week to Dynamis instead of farming gil so they could potentially pay for the Dynamis glass. They also wasted a good portion of their remaining 8 hours a week doing things like re-buffering and farming so they can pay for Echo drops/reraise items. It's not that they couldn't show up for events, it's that the event consumed enough of their time that sponsorship was an unreasonable goal. If you aren't sponsoring in a sponsor shell, then you're not profiting.

Do low playtime players not deserve to profit from the time they spend doing an event? Sponsorship was a roadblock to this no matter how you cut it.

Also, I'm speaking more from the experiences of my friends that have bitched to me while in such shells than from personal experience above. I saw where the money was going about two runs after joining my first "sponsor" Dynamis shell and quit. They were terrible players and it was unprofitable. A few months later, I was a part of one of the first sell/split Dynamis groups on my server. It tanked when the leader quit, so I joined a big shell that did everything (including Dynamis), and then a few years later I helped lead another sell/split Dynamis group.

I distributed an average of ~350k/city run and ~100k/outlands and negative/nothing from CoP (all of the profits). The shell wasn't exactly a super-exclusive elite-fest, everything was "comment four items," and after your first run everyone was equal. We had a pretty regular and small group, so there were no real lotting issues and we were (at most) only gunning for a few of each item. Dynamis went from being a 3 hour chore to a fun way for people to make gil. The AF you wanted didn't drop? Doesn't matter, we each made 300k.

[Insaniac]

Time to agree to disagree.

[Ilax]

I am surprise there another thread about this, even more surprise how people generally look at it the wrong way, in term of time you going to spend on dyna relic and on empy is the same, to not say Empy is even more time consuming (specially if you take Chloris or Glavoid path).

The only reason there more empy then dynamis relic is because of the limitation of time you can spend in dynamis, lift off the time limit (2h) in dynamis, and trust me you would be able to do a relic in 1 week also.

This been discussed in other thread, but seem people just trying push more thread and talk about the same thing =P You guyz probably have better success to ask SE to remove the 2h limitation in dyna at this point.

For salavage is the same deal, exept!!! mythic you need way more then just alex, and that imo make them way more harder then empy and dyna relic.