Banned for Windower?

[Korpg]

It is not baseless and wrong.

There are plenty of threads on both of those forums that promote the usage of windower, and that is a third party tool. BG even promotes that claim bot before Abyssea came out.

[Byrth]

It is not baseless and wrong.

There are plenty of threads on both of those forums that promote the usage of windower, and that is a third party tool. BG even promotes that claim bot before Abyssea came out.

It's my impression that Bluegartr is actually an adamantly anti-botting linkshell. They kick people for botting.

As far as Salvage banning having an impact on the economy, the price of all Salvage mats on Garuda went up after the bannings.

[Hyshio]

SE could learn a thing or two from them if they really wanted to.

I agree with this and as a staff member for windower, I hope one day we can communicate such ideas and possibilities with the dev team. If it wasnt for windower itself, this game wouldnt have made it to what it is now and they know it.

[Greatguardian]

It's my impression that Bluegartr is actually an adamantly anti-botting linkshell. They kick people for botting.

As far as Salvage banning having an impact on the economy, the price of all Salvage mats on Garuda went up after the bannings.

This is correct.

There is a huge difference between a website promoting 3rd party tools, and a website simply choosing not to censor members who talk about said tools. BG itself as a linkshell is very anti-bot, and the administrators have no real stance as far as I know.

They simply don't censor discussion of Windower, that's all. They actually do actively disallow any direct linking to RMT websites though, despite not being a premier site. Heck, it's my understanding that the biggest reason BG is not a premier site is because of the very NSFW content in the General section, rather than anything posted in the FFXI section.

[Korpg]

Not everyone who posts on that website is a member of that linkshell, however.

[Greatguardian]

Exactly. BG as a website? Doesn't promote any 3PP.

Some/most/whatever people who post on BG? Sure, they talk about Windower all the time.

Don't confuse a website's lack of censorship with promotion. People can talk about kicking puppies all they want, that does not mean BG promotes kicking puppies.

[Korpg]

Sorry if it came out that way.

I guess I should make myself better understood.

[Leonlionheart]

If it wasnt for windower itself, this game wouldnt have made it to what it is now and they know it.

Just want to put emphasis on this statement.

Base FFXI (no windower) is played by probably at maximum 15% of the playerbase (on PC). If everyone who used Windower were suddenly gone, I'd think the game would be reduced to about 1.5 servers worth of people.

[Byrth]

Looking at all the stupid decisions SE has made lately, I'm not sure that counting on them to make logical decisions is necessarily wise.

You can be banned at any time for anything or nothing at all. There are a hundred different ways you could get caught in an autobanner and never recover your account. As long as you aren't doing something that gets you noticed by other players and reported, you probably aren't increasing your likelihood of getting banned.

[Zirael]

You know, I'm surprised this thread has gone as long as it has.

Even though there really isn't anything wrong with windower, Square-Enix has been adamant about the usage of third party tools and for this to go on for 8 pages without being deleted/completely erased is beyond me.

I think these days SE are much more keen about improving their game for their customer's liking. I don't think I would know a company that, knowing their product is lacking, wouldn't pay a close attention to it's customers's tinkering and struggle to make it usable to current standards and their needs (ie having fun playing and not having to fight with clunky interface all the time). Sure, SE is very keen on preserving equal gaming experience across all the platforms and I very much appreciate their resolve and respect it, but at the same time they, themselves realise this suffocates growth of their product. SE said several times on these forums regarding simple improvements we asked for (bigger/better managed item inventory, IME keyboard etc and so on) that they would like to, but "spaghetti code" or "PS2 limitations".
To be honest, given their strict view on player equality and fairness, I'm constantly surprised all the windower community doesn't get banned. At the same time I'm surprised PS2 hasn't been dropped yet. I suppose either would hurt significant part of their customers so maybe SE isn't sure they wouldn't look silly by doing that (silly as in a company turning their back to their own loyal customers).
SE has obligations to PS2 users to keep the promise "you can play our game on this platform", they have made. At the same time they need to take responsibility for the crippled state of the PC version. And they might not have a solution to either problem.
Well, FF14 was supposed to be that solution ("hey, you can move to the new and improved FF!") but SE had to take responsibility for their product once again and FF14 has been free to play beta for almost a year now.
Find a solution to these problems and I bet you'll get a chair among their board if not CEO's seat

PS: Sorry if this text makes no sense, I've written it multitasking several things ~.~