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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    Except FFXIAH.com and BG, they are all about using third party tools.

    Of course, when you have one of the first developers as the admin on ffxiah.com, of course they would want to push their products.
    This assumption is baseless and wrong.
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    It is not baseless and wrong.

    There are plenty of threads on both of those forums that promote the usage of windower, and that is a third party tool. BG even promotes that claim bot before Abyssea came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    It is not baseless and wrong.

    There are plenty of threads on both of those forums that promote the usage of windower, and that is a third party tool. BG even promotes that claim bot before Abyssea came out.
    It's my impression that Bluegartr is actually an adamantly anti-botting linkshell. They kick people for botting.

    As far as Salvage banning having an impact on the economy, the price of all Salvage mats on Garuda went up after the bannings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    It's my impression that Bluegartr is actually an adamantly anti-botting linkshell. They kick people for botting.

    As far as Salvage banning having an impact on the economy, the price of all Salvage mats on Garuda went up after the bannings.
    This is correct.

    There is a huge difference between a website promoting 3rd party tools, and a website simply choosing not to censor members who talk about said tools. BG itself as a linkshell is very anti-bot, and the administrators have no real stance as far as I know.

    They simply don't censor discussion of Windower, that's all. They actually do actively disallow any direct linking to RMT websites though, despite not being a premier site. Heck, it's my understanding that the biggest reason BG is not a premier site is because of the very NSFW content in the General section, rather than anything posted in the FFXI section.
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    Player Korpg's Avatar
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    Not everyone who posts on that website is a member of that linkshell, however.
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    Exactly. BG as a website? Doesn't promote any 3PP.

    Some/most/whatever people who post on BG? Sure, they talk about Windower all the time.

    Don't confuse a website's lack of censorship with promotion. People can talk about kicking puppies all they want, that does not mean BG promotes kicking puppies.
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    Sorry if it came out that way.

    I guess I should make myself better understood.
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    Looking at all the stupid decisions SE has made lately, I'm not sure that counting on them to make logical decisions is necessarily wise.

    You can be banned at any time for anything or nothing at all. There are a hundred different ways you could get caught in an autobanner and never recover your account. As long as you aren't doing something that gets you noticed by other players and reported, you probably aren't increasing your likelihood of getting banned.
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    back on topic its the /macro set x command they added a few years back can allow for extended macros using the in game system, in order to utilize it however requires multiple input from the user still though you can set it up where its easy enough when used proper you can swap all 16 pieces without massive effort.

    Example:

    macro set 1 control 0:
    /macro set 2
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"

    macro set 2 control 0
    /macro set 1
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"
    /equip "whatever"

    now by setting up your macros as such all you have to do is quickly double tap control 0 and it will swap up to 10 gear pieces and return you to your home row macro set, you can extend this out to swaping all 15/16 pieces of gear, its what i have been using since they introduced them, /macro has other interesting uses with some imagination.

    problem is when servers start getting laggy, also sometimes i might over hit my macros which causes some trouble, but if your dead set on not using windower/stuck on console you can utilize this to optimize yourself a tad better than without.

    if you intend to go this route, /macro set should be your first line as itll swap sets faster while still exicuting the whole macro, makes for less laggy extended in game macros.
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    I find that "/macro set X" is much less laggy on PC than it was on PS2. PS2, it took almost a full second for my macros to swap. Also, it was my impression that "/macro set X" ends whatever macro you were in, so you'd have to set it up:
    /equip ___
    /equip ___
    /equip ___
    /equip ___
    /equip ___
    /macro set 2

    Instead of the other way around.

    I used to do this for RDM/NIN tanking, and I'd set a loop so it was like:
    /equip x5
    /macro set 2

    /ma "Dispel" <t>
    /equip x4
    /macro set 3

    /equip x5
    /macro set 1

    Then I could spam twice, wait for the spell to land, spam again and be bumped back to the starting set. The major problem was the PS2 lag.
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