A single simple solution to Paladin

[Alienmonkey]

Most of the stuff you mentioned paladins can get by subbing the right job, so your argument is pretty weak.

WTF? Why would your tank sub WHM?

[Dale]

WTF? Why would your tank sub WHM?

Um... Alienmonkey, we was talking about the paladin in a healing role, not a tank role.

[Alienmonkey]

Um... Alienmonkey, we was talking about the paladin in a healing role, not a tank role.

Oh. Well dur of course it can be a healer if you sub WHM LOL. Bard/whm is most definitely better than pld/whm though, if you're talking /whm healers.

It is btw true that cure potency trumps healing skill. cure potency > mnd > vit > healing skill is the order of importance for stats when it comes to cures.

[Dale]

Oh. Well dur of course it can be a healer if you sub WHM LOL. Bard/whm is most definitely better than pld/whm though, if you're talking /whm healers.

It is btw true that cure potency trumps healing skill. cure potency > mnd > vit > healing skill is the order of importance for stats when it comes to cures.

That would depend on the situation. Are you telling me a warrior using a light staff (in theory) will be able to out-heal a paladin with no cure potency stats because he has the extra cure potency from the staff? I hope you aren't sillly enough to believe that.

And I disagree that a bard/whm can heal better than a paladin is capable of.

[Alienmonkey]

That would depend on the situation. Are you telling me a warrior using a light staff will be able to out-heal a paladin with no cure potency stats because he has the extra cure potency from the staff? I hope you aren't sillly enough to believe that.

And I disagree that a bard/whm can heal better than a paladin is capable of.

Yes a war/whm with light staff will have better cures than a pld/whm without it. Healing skill does barely anything.

A bard/whm has ballads if he needs refresh, or he can regen the entire group with paeon for no mp at all.

[Dale]

Yes a war/whm with light staff will have better cures than a pld/whm without it. Healing skill does barely anything.

A bard/whm has ballads if he needs refresh, or he can regen the entire group with paeon for no mp at all.

When i say Healing Skill i mean more than just the stat, i also mean the mere presense of the ability to heal and have mp. If you think a warrior using a light staff can out heal a paladin...well, i'm sorry but that is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard. I really do wish we were on the same server so I could match up your warrior with a light staff to my pld healer and see who does better.

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

And a pld/sch can regen the entire group too. Also has refresh through sublimation. Paladins also have auto refresh as an ability. Multiple pieces of gear that add refresh. They also have the highest staff skill in the game and access to spirit taker - one of the best ways to recover mp on the game. I'd match a paladin's ability to recover his mp to that of a bard's anyday of the week. So again, your arguments don't impress.

[Alienmonkey]

When i say Healing Skill i mean more than just the stat, i also mean the mere presense of the ability to heal and have mp. If you think a warrior using a light staff can out heal a paladin...well, i'm sorry but that is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard. I really do wish we were on the same server so I could match up your warrior with a light staff to my pld healer and see who does better.

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

And a pld/sch can regen the entire group too. Also has refresh through sublimation. Paladins also have auto refresh as an ability. Multiple pieces of gear that add refresh. They also have the highest staff skill in the game and access to spirit taker - one of the best ways to recover mp on the game. I'd match a paladin's ability to recover his mp to that of a bard's anyday of the week. So again, your arguments don't impress.

You're funny, guy.

[Zagen]

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

Huh? Are serious about this?......

WAR/WHM has these relevant stats:
Healing Magic Skill: 138
MND: 75
VIT: 77

PLD/SCH has these:
Healing Magic Skill: 341 (Since PLD has native skill I believe Light Arts makes it a B+)
MND:80
VIT:83

Cure IVs should roll in around these numbers:
WAR/WHM: 370 + 10% (37) = 407
PLD/SCH: 395

So yes Alienmonkey's statement about a WAR/WHM giving better cures when they use a Light Staff and the PLD doesn't is true.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

WTF? Why would your tank sub WHM?

Divine Seal Curaga II. You know, the kinds of things true WHMs aren't supposed to do mid-fight.

[Greatguardian]

Divine Seal Curaga II. You know, the kinds of things true WHMs aren't supposed to do mid-fight.

More like the kind of thing any true WHM should be more than capable of doing without issue.

Word to the wise, WHMs are a hell of a lot sturdier than any melee on the planet (PLD included) assuming the operator isn't a cheapass. They also have boatloads of -Enmity gear if they do happen to be a cheapass.