Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

Actually, SMN would be weaker because they lose the large DEX boost from buffs and RR.

Everyone else loses the dex boost from buffs and RR too.

You lose the abyssea buffs, but so does anyone else.

[Leonlionheart]

Everyone else loses the dex boost from buffs and RR too.

You lose the abyssea buffs, but so does anyone else.

yeah, but other jobs don't need the accuracy from DEX like SMN does. WAR still has capped accuracy pretty much everywhere (excluding select voidwatch fights) without food, no way in hell SMN can do that.

[Dallas]

Goes hand in hand with reading posts by other people. You'll quickly find there are other people who dismantled all your made up arguments long before you posted them.

LOL, no concept of mockery I see. Reeling it in! Thanks! Now, please estimate the percentage of time a Ukon WAR is playing a "competent job" because WAR is useless.

yeah, but other jobs don't need the accuracy from DEX like SMN does. WAR still has capped accuracy pretty much everywhere (excluding select voidwatch fights) without food, no way in hell SMN can do that.

And yet Myrkr still happens. Why is that?

[TybudX]

Now, please estimate the percentage of time a Ukon WAR is playing a "competent job" because WAR is useless.

It's already been explained in this very thread that SMN is a terrible melee job, has useless/crappy buffs outside EA/PD, and is nothing special as a /whm or /rdm healer. So WAR is useless because there are a (very) few fights in the game where ranged damage is better? *cough*BLM*cough*RDM*cough*RNG*cough*COR*cough*SCH*cough*lolPUP*cough*
SAM*cough*... oh, wait, you guys are as good as BST. Good job, again.

Am I to assume that your only job is SMN? It seems to be very important to your argument that somebody might ever have to change jobs. It has to be, seeing as you refuse to switch to a better suited job for what? 98% of the games content? Hope you are proud of that last 2% bro, you're really rocking this argument.

[Korpg]

And yet Myrkr still happens. Why is that?

Yeah, a WS exists, so what?

Wiffing a third of the time instead of a fifth of the time now? You think that is an improvement?

[Dallas]

It's already been explained in this very thread that SMN is a terrible melee job, has useless/crappy buffs outside EA/PD, and is nothing special as a /whm or /rdm healer. So WAR is useless because there are a (very) few fights in the game where ranged damage is better?

Psst, I'm mocking you. Congratulations, you pwn PvE with lots of help!

Yeah, a WS exists, so what?

Wiffing a third of the time instead of a fifth of the time now? You think that is an improvement?

Don't you wish you were alive in 2006? Those guys strutted around thinking SMN missed 80% of the time.

[Malamasala]

yeah, but other jobs don't need the accuracy from DEX like SMN does. WAR still has capped accuracy pretty much everywhere (excluding select voidwatch fights) without food, no way in hell SMN can do that.

I wear more accuracy gear on my SMN than on my DNC. But I do admit that DNC is like B+ when SMN is a terrible B.

[Sparthos]

Everyone else loses the dex boost from buffs and RR too.

You lose the abyssea buffs, but so does anyone else.

The DD isn't relying as much on the cruor/atmas than the mage job attempting to melee.

For fun, what does your melee gear look like? How much ATT and ACC are you using in gear before atma/cruor?

[Cream_Soda]

Psst, I'm mocking you. Congratulations, you pwn PvE with lots of help!



Don't you wish you were alive in 2006? Those guys strutted around thinking SMN missed 80% of the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLJf...eature=related

[Byrth]

I wear more accuracy gear on my SMN than on my DNC. But I do admit that DNC is like B+ when SMN is a terrible B.

DNC also get Accuracy Bonus III, so that's another 35 Acc difference. SMN uses a 2H weapon though, so they get 25% DEX in their favor.

If I were to argue against the feasibility of melee summoner, Accuracy would not be my argument of choice. pDIF would be. It is so beneficial to Myrkr Summoner to keep capped Accuracy that it's entirely worth using Sushi to do it, which means they can realistically cap Acc on all but Thief monsters with proper gear, merits, and Sushi.

By the time your Acc uncaps with Sushi and proper gear, your pDIF will be so horrid that the shit damage/hit you're doing isn't worth the TP/hit you're feeding. Your Avatars have a lot of Attack, but they attack slowly and their base damage depends on fSTR. If you're meleeing and feeding TP just so you can keep your Avatar out (instead of doing BP and release) and it can also feed TP while contributing a mediocre amount of damage, then perhaps you should consider releasing and just contributing by feeding less TP and staying out of AoE range. Sometimes being less active is more helpful than being more active.